Dreadful Handling

[JTaylor2005]

Okay so driving tonight has made me really dislike how my car handles.

So far I have got decent tyres and then new B4 shocks and Eibach springs. New drop links as well.

The symptoms are basically a rumbling when driving normally (Which no garage has diagnosed as wheel bearing even though thats what I am sure its got to be)

Going round a corner over bumps there is a sort of cluncky dull noise and the car shuffles all over the road. The steering feels really loose and lazy like so when turning into a corner there is like a delay and a lot of corrections need to be made if going over undulations in the road.

I am going to be ordering new lower ball joints soon and I am hoping they will make a difference.

I have been to 3 garages who all agrea there is a clunking/rumbling noise but none of them could find the cause -_- which is annoying haha.

Any ideas whats best to check? Do you reckon I should do the lower wishbones and the bush's on those?
Could a rear axle being wrecked cause unpredictability in the front end as well? :/

Thanks

[Poodle]

Wishbones and rear axle will both heavily affect handling and cause the noises you've described. Rumbling could be an out of shape tyre, i take it the noise is apparent from low speeds (10-15mph upwards)?

[Piggy]

Sounds typical ball joint tbh.
..or the pesky p bush...but think poodle has mentioned that in other thread

Rumbling usually is bearing or gearbox

[JTaylor2005]

Brilliant cheers. Just don't fancy going out buying loads of bits it most likely won't be haha.

Tyres are all decent changed front ones recently.

[toseland]

P bushes, I did Tue rear axle on the car and it improved the situation about 75% and now have a new set of wishbones and balljoints to go on.

[JTaylor2005]

Brilliant. So list of stuff to do then.

P-Bushes (rear or front?)
Wish Bones
Ball Joints
Gti-6 rear axle

[RetroPug]

Vague-feeling steering could also be play in inner joints on the track rods, but realistically all of the wear parts in the suspesion and steering on these cars would benefit from replacement at the age 306s are getting to.

[Poodle]

Brilliant. So list of stuff to do then.

P-Bushes (rear or front?)
Wish Bones
Ball Joints

P-bushes and balljoints will come with the wishbones in a handy, ready-to-fit package.

[Dum-Dum]

Rumbling can also be a drive shaft.

[JTaylor2005]

Looks like its gonna end up costly :O

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeo...bcf&000320

a left and right of those.
Then the lower ball joints as well. Then fitting. Then probably wheel bearings as well. New rear axle. May as well sell the car lol

[Eeyore]

you can buy meyle HD wish bones which come with the pbushes and ball joints already on!

[tigerstyle]

+getting the tracking done afterwards, which could also affect the handling

[Toms306]

Looks like its gonna end up costly :O

http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeo...bcf&000320

a left and right of those.
Then the lower ball joints as well. Then fitting. Then probably wheel bearings as well. New rear axle. May as well sell the car lol

And that's why most 306s handle like shit these days!

Wishbones aren't hard to change though, while you've got the hubs 'free' just knock them off the strut and have a local garage press a new bearing in.

Not much you can do about the beam though, that's expensive whichever way you go as there aren't many decent used ones left now.

[JTaylor2005]

True haha. Mind you I think once I have got it handling good I will want to keep it and make it really nice so probably will be worth it

[DeeTurbo]

I did the rear axle on my hatchback this weekend. Massive pain in the arse rebuilding the fucker.
   
   
   

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[Redordead89]

If your doing the wishbones or bushes you might as well do the anti roll bar bushes while your at it!
Subframe bushes are probs getting there too!
If you're going full boona do the engine mounts too!
Sorry but just thinking ahead!

[adam b]

Subframe bushes...?

[Redordead89]

Subframe bushes...?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-RE...XQydtTPbyg

[Poodle]

you can buy meyle HD wish bones which come with the pbushes and ball joints already on!

I really wouldn't recommend these, they are very highly priced and seem to suffer a lot of quality control issues.

WRT finding the noise, put a socket and bar on one of your front wheel bolts and use it to move the wheel back and forth, if you can get much noticeable play at all it'll be your p-bushes. Try driving round in a circle on full lock, if you get a clicking noise or the rumbling gets worse it's a driveshaft. Jack the front up and give the wheels a bit of side-to-side shake, you'll be able to feel play in the balljoints, should be able to see it if you get in there with a lever bar to wobble the joint while you look at it. It'll help if you can get an assistant to look while you shake or vice a versa. Same goes for p-bushes, lever bar behind them and if you can get much movement... Have a look with the torch to see what state they're in - perished rubber is easy to see.

[Piggy]

Yeah have to agree about those "HD" wishbones...I not tried them but all I hear is bad reports...and for the money!?!

Maybe their "4k" version will be better

[Toms306]

Subframe bushes...?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-RE...XQydtTPbyg

I've never seen the beam called a rear subframe before, that's a new one! If he's replacing the beam, will be best off replacing those anyway tbh.

[Redordead89]

Subframe bushes...?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-306-RE...XQydtTPbyg

I've never seen the beam called a rear subframe before, that's a new one! If he's replacing the beam, will be best off replacing those anyway tbh.

LOL

[JTaylor2005]

Right then. Finally made up a quick list of bits and will be buying these this weekend. Can't be bothered hunting around for ages to find rare named brand ones. Lemforder sound decent and people don't seem to have problems with them so here goes.

Left and Right of these (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeo...a26&000320)

Left and Right of these (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeo...766&000019)

Left and Right of these (http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Peugeo...2a6&000349)

With 25% off at eurocarparts I can get that all for £152 which tbf is damn good

Most likely will get a full set of engine mounts as well

[MY95]

Always check around for prices buddy, saw some lemforder wishbone arms for £41 today either on eBay or mister auto, always look around! Just don't want you wasting money TRW and Febi Bilstein ones are a bit cheaper and just as good most likely.

[JTaylor2005]

So then after realizing im a muppet again haha I have now found these
Cheers My95

Febi/Bilstein (left and right) - http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/suspensi...peNr=12406

TRW Lower Ball Joints (left and right) - http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/ball-joi...peNr=12406

TRW Tie rod ends (left and right) - http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/tie-rod-...peNr=12406

All in for £107 and thats with top brand stuff from what I can see

[MY95]

No worries Jack You should buy me a track rod end and ball joint now ive saved you double the amount of those
Plans sound good, getting some top mount bearings and p bushes for mine shortly

[JTaylor2005]

Sounds good read through your thread about the GTI-6 beam. So many option for shocks and springs haha its crazy

[Toms306]

Theres a pair of Eibachs on GTi shocks for £70 on ebay atm... If I had the money I'd buy them! As I don't, thought one of you guys might want to.

[JTaylor2005]

My95 there u go

I have only just bought b4's and eibach for mine

[MY95]

Theyve been up for a while Tom
Very cheap too, tempted! How much would they lower my car by?
Cant have my car lowered much more unfortunately so there isnt many options for me now