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So the article underneath is directly from matters of testing that I got emailed via the mot thing TODAY. Make what you will some good info imo.
https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/str...t-failure/
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It's a shame that people insist on running vehicles with tyres that are technically not illegal rather than tyres that actually work properly but as a tester there's nothing you can do about that sadly.
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About time they posted those really, so many people running stupid stretch
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I think its good as its always been a grey area. They are legal as long as they aren't stupid. So little a little stretch seated correctly as per picture in article is fine. Anything else (most euro style) illegal.
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It's the same with HIDs and the beam pattern,.... you could fit 2000watt HIDs that glare so much they would blind passing airliners but as long as they have defined beam pattern they are not a fail, and the MOT tester has no power to open the bonnet to investigate ifd they are in fact HIDs from what i am aware..
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You cannot conduct an mot without the bonnet up so that's hardly factual, but I see the point you make.
About time stretched tyres were made illegal. Ridiculous trend.
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You have to open the bonnet for mot. In fact if you cant its a fail for not being able to inspect things. Also hids are illegal with self leveling etc. 
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Only if self-leveling was factory fitted. 
This is the problem with mots, so much grey area.
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(15-12-2015, 03:10 PM)bashbarnard Wrote: I think its good as its always been a grey area. They are legal as long as they aren't stupid. So little a little stretch seated correctly as per picture in article is fine. Anything else (most euro style) illegal.
Tyre stretch is reducing the performance of the tyre. Reducing the performance of your tyres a fair bit but not making them quite an MOT fail is legal but it's still a laughable idea.
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I can see ridiculous negative camber being next
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Good. The "scene" boys are going too far now. Ridiculous lows, stupid camber and ridiculous stretch. Although they clearly think it looks good, its just not safe!!
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Seems daft that it has to be added to MOTs as if people can't use common sense... 
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(15-12-2015, 08:32 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Seems daft that it has to be added to MOTs as if people can't use common sense...
Its always been part of the mot. Its just been un clear until now where the line is between pass fail and advise.
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But common sense of the owner should say how much stretch is unsafe... I'm all for show over go but not when it comes to things like tyres...from a VAG fan as well haha.
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(15-12-2015, 08:25 PM)Niall Wrote: Good. The "scene" boys are going too far now. Ridiculous lows, stupid camber and ridiculous stretch. Although they clearly think it looks good, its just not safe!!
This. There is a soarer near me that's Stupidly low, complete with yellow lights. It's dragging it's ass on the deck all the time, yet Rugby is land of the speed hump??? Wtf? I am all for some Drop but let's be reasonable!
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(15-12-2015, 08:43 PM)Toms306 Wrote: But common sense of the owner...
Common sense... popular culture...
Popular culture.... common sense...
Nope, doesn't matter which way round i say it, they just don't go in a sentence together.
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Sadly common sense has become uncommon sense these days.
Anyway nobody is gonna fail an MOT on that as it's still got the grey area get out clauses and it depicts the tyre bead as being square when it's usually rounder.
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So, if someone is going to protest the MOT for their stretched tyres are they happy for a VOSA inspector to come and check instead so the complaint can be upheld?
I'd like to be nearby when that happens and they take the car under construction and use regs instead 
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Issue is, there's no defined set of rules that says "an xxx section tyre is safe on a y.z j wheel" - there's no definition, there's a few cars from the factory that run a relatively narrow tyre on a wider than average rim.
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Yeah bmw to name one. I think it more like tester discretion is what they call it. Windscreen is a good example with "items obscuring drivers view" if its obviously wrong it'll be failed basically.
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I can see massive flared arches to cover wide wheels being the next craze now...
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(16-12-2015, 12:06 PM)bashbarnard Wrote: Yeah bmw to name one. I think it more like tester discretion is what they call it. Windscreen is a good example with "items obscuring drivers view" if its obviously wrong it'll be failed basically.
Yeah there's slight stretch on my fronts but they're stock fitment - 225/40/18 on an 8J rim. Providing the bead is seated correctly and you can't see it there shouldn't be an issue for 98% of people. It'll probably only be an issue for 'stanced' cars running 165's on a 9J etc..
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(16-12-2015, 12:07 PM)Toms306 Wrote: I can see massive flared arches to cover wide wheels being the next craze now...
I think that was a 70's craze
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(16-12-2015, 11:43 AM)Ruan Wrote: Issue is, there's no defined set of rules that says "an xxx section tyre is safe on a y.z j wheel"
specifically actually there is in most cases if you ask the manufacturer.
http://www.toyo.co.uk/tire/pattern/proxes-t1-r
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