Harness bar

[Nathan1305]

Hey guys I'm getting a 106 at the end of the month to covert to a track car (FCS fun ) when I fit harnesses will I need a harness bar? I can't think of another way to secure the harnesses securely. Any help is appreciated

[bigcheez2k3]

Mounting points for the rear seatbelts/buckles?

[Dum-Dum]

Harness bars are dubious for MOTs according to some people.

[welshpug]

theyre fine, as long as its part of a cage...

[Slam Wagon]

Not had a problem with mine. Bolts onto the standard front seatbelt mounting points.

[Nathan1305]

Tyrah the lap straps I'm bolting where the existing seat belt would be just trying to find points for the shoulder straps, so I could mount the shoulder straps to the rear seat belt mounting points

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Not had a problem with mine. Bolts onto the standard front seatbelt mounting points.

Where did you get yours too mate?

[welshpug]

harnesses go on the harness bar of the cage.

[swampy]

Attaching them to the upper mount fit the rear belts is not good as they won't hold / pull square if you need then to do a job!

Harness bars as said should only be used when attached to a cage

You will find people on eBay and the like that will make you a bar to connect between the wheel arches. , but the metal here is very thin and won't provide the strength required

[Orta]

I've seen 306s with an empty back and just harness bars across the rear arches and they've been thru mots? Friendly garages maybe?

[Eeyore]

okay you have a few options....

So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!

Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches

Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.

Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.

[swampy]

I've seen 306s with an empty back and just harness bars across the rear arches and they've been thru mots? Friendly garages maybe?

okay you have a few options....

So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!

Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches

Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.

Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.

Thing is you need to weld a lot if extra material in to the wheel arches to make them strong enough not to be ripped apart in the event of an accident TV

[Seb_Ryan]

Do it properly or not at all. A mate of mine died because of it. He had a bar welded in across the rear arches, crashed, it it ripped most of the arch off with the bar

[Nathan1305]

May have to get a half cage or something with a harness bar welded in

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okay you have a few options....

So for the cheap ass and daily you can get 3 point harnesses and bolt into the original seatbelt bolts and the rear seatbelt holes. Problem is it puts the harness at a steep angle which in a crash could crush you. I believe it should be something like 10 degrees less than horizontal at a maximum!

Other option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a harness bar welded between the rear arches

Another option is to get a 4 point harness and go to a tegiwa harness bar mounted up high behind the seats.

Or the best option is to get a full cage and get the harness bars welded in.

I can't find a tegiwa harness bar for a 106, is there any that fit?

[welshpug]

get a cage, job done

[Nathan1305]

get a cage, job done

I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used

[Seb_Ryan]

get a cage, job done

I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used

If its only for the track.. Then 500 to save your life is nothing lol

[bigcheez2k3]

get a cage, job done

I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used

If its only for the track.. Then 500 to save your life is nothing lol

Makes a good point...

[Slam Wagon]

Tegiwa ones are all the same, ignore what its listed for. Cage is obviously going to be the best option but also the most expensive.

[kentiiboii]

Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?

[Jonny81191]

Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?

Yeah, it ruined his tyres as they caught on the plate IIRC.

Seriously, if you're going track spec and putting buckets in, fit a half cage as a minimum. Otherwise, fit reclining buckets or s16 seats to hold you in, and use the standard seatbelts.

[kentiiboii]

I'll be having buckets and harness soon. Will need something to fit them to.
But don't think I'll have the money straight away for cage. Less I can find one cheap.

[powerandtorque]

Buckets and harnesses in a cage-less car isn't a very clever idea in my opinion.

In the event of a rollover, you're fixed in place and can't duck your head out of the way - which isn't great as if the A/B pillars collapse or the roof caves in, your neck gets broken.

[Grant]

Didn't grant bolt his through the arches with a plate on the other side?

Yeah, it ruined his tyres as they caught on the plate IIRC.

Seriously, if you're going track spec and putting buckets in, fit a half cage as a minimum. Otherwise, fit reclining buckets or s16 seats to hold you in, and use the standard seatbelts.

I used bolts that were too long


They were fine when sorted out. I've had the car supported from a block and tackle, off the garage roof using that harness bar just to prove a point. Nothing budged.

[RetroPug]

get a cage, job done

I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used

Perhaps, but spending money on only a bit of the kit you need to be safe and ending up less safe than you would have been with standard seatbelts and seats isn't exactly a good investment either.

[Nathan1305]

get a cage, job done

I'll see if I can get one cheaper than £500 seems a bit much for how often it will be used

Perhaps, but spending money on only a bit of the kit you need to be safe and ending up less safe than you would have been with standard seatbelts and seats isn't exactly a good investment either.

Fair point I'll just have to suck it up and buy a cage

[Piggy]

Half cage isnt too pricey or heavy

[7057sam]

They's a cage on the 6 forum atm for £300 if anyone s interested.

I brought my safety devices cage for £220 which was a pretty epic deal

[Nathan1305]

They's a cage on the 6 forum atm for £300 if anyone s interested.

I brought my safety devices cage for £220 which was a pretty epic deal

Where did you get your cage from?

[Dum-Dum]

Nathan get some insurance quotes before you get a cage as alot of insurers refuse to cover them as they assume that if you fit a cage then you must be driving like you need a cage.

I would consider using the standard rear seat belt mounting points to mount your harnesses as they are ahead of the crumple zones although they aren't as good as using a cage to mount them off they will be as good if not better than a harness bar.

They were fine when sorted out. I've had the car supported from a block and tackle, off the garage roof using that harness bar just to prove a point. Nothing budged.

Doesn't prove alot. The forces in a crash will be so much greater than having half the cars weight supported off it.

[welshpug]

half cage is pointless.

some insurers quote less if you have a cage fitted.