Considering going to look at this Pug 405 d turbo. Few questions??

[Chris_90]

Well im considering going to look at this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251191803188?s...1423.l2649

As far as i can work out is the same engine as the 306 d turbo am i right?

is the tuning the same and is that the same bosh pump as the 306?

Think it would make an epic sleeper what you think guys?

Might go and look at it tomorrow if they will give me enough for my hdi as a part ex then i will get it :-D

[puglove]

All yes. And i reckon they will prob offer you sub £600 for your HDI agenst that.

[Chris_90]

are they torsion bar rear axle?? or springs?

and theres no ecu on these??

[Chris]

Torsion bars and 306/205 coilovers fit too

[Ollie]

They'res no ecu just a simple d turbo engine. They are one of the most comfortable cars ive ever sat in, real nice cruising bus! There's torsion bars in the back but its not the same axle as the 306s etc.

[Stephen]

Looks really tidy! Go for it!

[the milkman]

You will have to make sure its not a semi ecu if its tuning your after. Its pretty simple if there wires coming off the pump not as tuneable and other than that your good to go

[Piggy]

sweet....bit pricey tho

[Chris_90]

With them being big bet the weigh more than 306??

Ive e-mailed him waiting for a reply, might just go for drive up there tomorrow

[the milkman]

Yea be slightly heavier but not as much as you may think

[vincent1]

they are good motors used to repair a good few of these for a local taxi firm
krisb got a thread up about his 405
http://306oc.co.uk/forum/thread-2185.html

[Chris_90]

Were would the ecu be so I can look for it when I look at the car

[vincent1]

all the 405s i worked on never had one!

[Chris_90]

Looking at kris b project really want one now lol

[vincent1]

they are good motors the main parts i used to change when repairing them as taxis was bottom ball joints (they screw into the hub) and the usual clutch pedal plastic link (can just buy the link from pug saves changing full cable) other than that just usual servicing beam bearings seem to last well on these.

[puglove]

Pretty sure none of 1.9 405s were semi ecu

[Stephen]

Would be interested in the weight difference between this and a 306?

[vincent1]

http://www.ultimatespecs.com/car-specs/P...9D-GR.html 405 1077 weight saloon
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/fa...993/13380/ 306 1080 weight hatchback

[Tyronnster]

Yea be slightly heavier but not as much as you may think

I have a petrol one which was gutless but so fun

[Chris_90]

Just rang guy up seemed to be a right bell end couldnt give me a straight answer if he would take my HDI as a part ex so looks like a no go, mightbe worth cash buyers looking at it

[ash240970]

You should of bought the 605 that was for sale last week

[Mattcheese31]

same engine as 306 some slight differences, i have a 405 engine in my 306, rumour it has stronger internals, the gearbox is shorter which makes for better acceleration in a 306, the air filter pipe routing is better, just all round better really a couple of other tiny things too like placement of alternator and stuff that makes no real difference, i've been watching this car, looks pretty sweet . .

[Chris_90]

Any one wana buy my HDI so i can buy it cash lol

[ozonehostile]

I have a 405 d turbo. Exactly the same engines, only difference been the air intake route. Torsion bar rear beam, shares the rear axle with the Citroën berlingo. Check the condition of rear subframe mounts as they tend to rot leaving only gravity holding it to the car. Also front suspension bushes are worth replacing as it transforms the car and will Probly solve any tracking issues which most 405s will have. Non ecu, really nice motorway cruiser and parts are dirt cheap. Buy one, you won't regret it oh and the dturbo models only came with Bosch pumps, no Lucas

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Oh and get an estate, they look awesome lowered and they handle better than the saloon due to thicker arb and Torsion bars. Massive loadspace ftw!!!

[Oil-burner]

Looks clean enough but no way it's worth 1k!

[Chris_90]

Hes not willing to take part ex so unless some one buys mine looks like a no go from the start

[ozonehostile]

Hes not willing to take part ex so unless some one buys mine looks like a no go from the start

If you really want a 405 you should be able to find a decent one for less than £500, gum tree usually has the best

[KrisB]

That ones got the better spec bumpers, from mi16 etc.

I have two 40Farts now... Picked up an Mi16 Le-mans few week ago. Slowly but surely robbing the best bits off it... TB's and ARB, Leather/alacantra/HEATED, leccy rear windows, leccy mirrors. Front and rear bumpers, bigger spoiler, door trims, arch extensions.

405's are gooood, although a few little downsides... Can't go much lower than 80mm front, 110 is needed lol. There's a lot more plastic inside so a lot more rattles.

The only difference with engine is that the gearbox linkage positions are different so if you ever wanna fit another gearbox from a 306 then you'll have to swap a little more than usual. You might have to spend some time updating the electrics... Lights are crap, I need to put a bigger alternator on mine, when the revs drop below 1k, on a cold night then the lights, blower don't work so well.

I've got working aircon in mine. Oh, they've got a lovely, wide air intake unlike the 306.

Have fun, giz a shout if you need owt.

[ozonehostile]

That ones got the better spec bumpers, from mi16 etc.

I have two 40Farts now... Picked up an Mi16 Le-mans few week ago. Slowly but surely robbing the best bits off it... TB's and ARB, Leather/alacantra/HEATED, leccy rear windows, leccy mirrors. Front and rear bumpers, bigger spoiler, door trims, arch extensions.

405's are gooood, although a few little downsides... Can't go much lower than 80mm front, 110 is needed lol. There's a lot more plastic inside so a lot more rattles.

The only difference with engine is that the gearbox linkage positions are different so if you ever wanna fit another gearbox from a 306 then you'll have to swap a little more than usual. You might have to spend some time updating the electrics... Lights are crap, I need to put a bigger alternator on mine, when the revs drop below 1k, on a cold night then the lights, blower don't work so well.

I've got working aircon in mine. Oh, they've got a lovely, wide air intake unlike the 306.

Have fun, giz a shout if you need owt.

I've already raped an Mi16 for parts, got myself the bigger front bumper and wings and spare suspension parts, also bought an executive just to rip the seats out and a few trim pieces then scrapped the rest lol
Really need to get all the bits on and get it lowered now, reading your 405 thread has given me new enthusiasm for it. My clutch is slipping badly so was thinking about swapping in an hid box while I had it off, how was it for you? Any complications or straight forward? Pm me if its a long conversation were getting into haha

[KrisB]

Dead easy for hdi box, just convert to pull type clutch as per DT. Then swap over the leverset on the box. Don't let the top one drop into the box though!

You'll also need to use the cable driven speedo sendor from 405 box.