GRAMMAR WAR, and how to make a cuppa

[bashbarnard]

There will be no project thread as i dont think its that interesting. service history and a years ticket of an older gentleman £430 lower tax bracket as well. 

it will be tracked at fcs regardless as i have track time though so if any body wants a ride in the slowest car on track with budget tyres on give me a shout because its happening.

[Piggy]

Needs must.

(*an hdi)

[toseland]

if you fancy it mate i'll let you take mine out on the track if you like..

on the proviso that if you break it you replace it (ie if you stack it i get yours lol)

[Toms306]

:yawns:

At least it's a nice colour!

[bashbarnard]

as much as id love to take a faster car on track i havnt been on track for a few years now so if im honest im a little nervous to get back out again. probably been 5 years. still it will be a riot with everyone else on track. at least i can get some good videos of everyones cars overtaking me

[toseland]

Needs must.

(*an hdi)

if the "h" is pronounced in hard form,  as a consonant then "A" is acceptable. "a historic occasion, a HDi" etc,,

[Toms306]

But it's an 'aych' not a 'huh' so should be 'an'... Flows much better, I agree with Piggy on this one!

Unless you're from London, in which case 'a' goes before literally everything including vowels.

[Mattcheese31]

Needs must.

(*an hdi)

But it's an 'aych' not a 'huh' so should be 'an'... Flows much better, I agree with Piggy on this one!

Unless you're from London, in which case 'a' goes before literally everything including vowels.

it's definitely *a HDI, stick to grease monkeying you two, #knowyourstrengths . . . . . .

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back on topic, glad you found what you wanted fella . .

[Redordead89]

nice one Tom ( Bash ) I say its a Haytch D I too

[Toms306]

Haytch

Oh dear!

If you pronounce the H wrong as above then it is 'a'.

If you pronounce it correctly 'aytch' then it starts with a vowel and should be 'an'.

[Piggy]

It should be "an". End of.

Who says "huh dee aye"?!?!

[Mattcheese31]

well this has made me laugh, why would you not pronounce it Haytch? (as we are now spelling it) perhaps this is a regional thing, i don't know but not a vowel sound here . .

[Piggy]

Haytch is not correct.
I'd know...my mother (english teacher) corrected me on it for years!

[bashbarnard]

Im not really fussed what way you look at it. Where I am the dialect would say (phonetically)
I bort uh atch d eye
im quite suffolk though

[Toms306]

It's not regional accents, it's just not being taught the 'proper' way to say things. If you went to a posh finishing school (guess there aren't many up North tbf ) the correct way to pronounce the letter h is without a 'huh', seriously.

[Ruan]

It's not to do with whether it is a vowel, rather the sound it makes - if it's a vowel sound, then it should be "an" vs consonant sound it should be "a"... For example "an umbrella" and "an hour" start with consonants, but are pronounced with a vowel sound.

Therefore it completely depends on regional accents.

You should pronounce it "Aitch Dee Eye" because that's the official way, however whilst the correct spelling and pronunciation would be "aitch" a lot of dictionaries would suggest that pronouncing it "Haitch" would be acceptable these days.

Therefore should be written "an HDi" as that's the official spelling, however in spoken English "a HDi" would be acceptable also.

[7057sam]

I'm definitely getting a ride in this

What times your slot ?

[bashbarnard]

I'm definitely getting a ride in this

What times your slot ?

11-1

[Toms306]

It's not to do with whether it is a vowel, rather the sound it makes - if it's a vowel sound, then it should be "an" vs consonant sound it should be "a"... For example "an umbrella" and "an hour" start with consonants, but are pronounced with a vowel sound.

How long has 'U' been a consonant then?

[Mattcheese31]

Thanks Ruan for being the voice of reason, I would say the majority of people right or wrong in your opinion do pronounce it as hay and not ay, language does evolve I hope you're all aware, what someone taught decades ago is not necessarily accurate today, if you pronounce it as ay then you're right to say an, I certainly don't so I guess we're both right in theory lol, why would I need a finishing school Tom? I've worked and traveled the length and breadth of the UK, that'll teach you a little more about life and the general use of language

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It's not to do with whether it is a vowel, rather the sound it makes - if it's a vowel sound, then it should be "an" vs consonant sound it should be "a"... For example "an umbrella" and "an hour" start with consonants, but are pronounced with a vowel sound.

How long has 'U' been a consonant then?

you know what he meant lol

[Eeyore]

not enough pictures in here!

[Toms306]

Thanks Ruan for being the voice of reason, I would say the majority of people right or wrong in your opinion do pronounce it as hay and not ay, language does evolve I hope you're all aware, what someone taught decades ago is not necessarily accurate today, if you pronounce it as ay then you're right to say an, I certainly don't so I guess we're both right in theory lol, why would I need a finishing school Tom? I've worked and traveled the length and breadth of the UK, that'll teach you a little more about life and the general use of language

If you want to marry a rich person and live in a posh stately home playing croquet and having afternoon tea you'd need to speak properly. I would assume you don't want that, so wouldn't need a finishing school. Just saying that there are 'correct' ways to pronounce things and when to use different words (a and an, was and were etc). I'm aware a lot of people won't use them in the 'correct' way, and won't care about it either lol, it's just something that irritates me (and presumably Piggy).

Anyway, soon we'll all only speak in emojis and abbreviations so it'll all be irrelevant...lol

[Ruan]

Lol I actually copy and pasted that in by accident and bunched it up - I was going to note the example that a word beginning with "u" doesn't always equal a vowel sound... But didn't want to turn it into an essay... Oh well...

For example "ugly" or "umbrella" would be "an ugly person" or "an umbrella" yet "unique" or "unicorn" would be "a unique" or "a unicorn", even though it starts with a vowel. That's because they produce a "y" sound...

[Redordead89]

My wife is an English teacher at a posh school and the most correctly spoken English in the UK comes from a little town outside Aberdeen so Haytch!

[Mattcheese31]

Personal jibes notwithstanding lol, I don't believe it is the 'correct' way, Queen's English perhaps but not for all

[toseland]

Didnt i type that like... 8 posts back?

[Toms306]

No personal jibes at all Matt? I don't want to go to a finishing school either...didn't mean any offence by it!


Red, I just don't believe your wife is pronouncing it wrong at a posh school!

https://www.englishforums.com/English/Pr...j/post.htm

http://english.stackexchange.com/questio...h-or-haych

[Redordead89]

Me n the missus are pissing ourselves here lol, cheers Bash for the update on the title,
My missus is now swinging to Aitch Dee eye
Did you get the door leaks sorted on Lu's car?

[Toms306]

Tbf I think Bash should probably start another thread or have this one cleaned up.

Edit - oh man, my new title is annoying, cheers Matt!

[Mattcheese31]

No personal jibes at all Matt?  I don't want to go to a finishing school either...didn't mean any offence by it!


Red, I just don't believe your wife is pronouncing it wrong at a posh school!

https://www.englishforums.com/English/Pr...j/post.htm

http://english.stackexchange.com/questio...h-or-haych

both ways mate lol, all good fun, if you start googling things you can find what you like but it can be pronounced both ways according to my googling