| 
		
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Just a general question on good quality but also cheap tools.
 Seeing what experiences people have had etc. Recently bought some "bergen" tools and they've been alright, but yeah, just seeing what cheap tools people can recommend and what experiences you've had.
 
 Cheers.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 20,092 
	Threads: 591 
	Joined: Nov 2012
	
 Reputation: 
54 Location: Cotswolds
 Car Model/Spec: Stage 13 16v HDi
       Thanks: 22Given 68 thank(s) in 68 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		never had them myself, but friends rave about Halfords tools...lifetime guarantee etc. decent price too.
 I like my Signet to be honest.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 3,467 
	Threads: 186 
	Joined: Mar 2012
	
 Reputation: 
38 Location: Manchester 
 Car Model/Spec: MG ZR VVC
 Thanks: 3Given 21 thank(s) in 19 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Silverline and draper ratchets have both failed on me when my Chinese 5 quid toolkit stayed true . So avoid themHalfords standard ratchet was one of the nicest ones I've used and i have a hapfords pro kit now although they jeep jamming
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 20,092 
	Threads: 591 
	Joined: Nov 2012
	
 Reputation: 
54 Location: Cotswolds
 Car Model/Spec: Stage 13 16v HDi
       Thanks: 22Given 68 thank(s) in 68 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (25-02-2014, 05:23 PM)lolsteve Wrote:  hapfords pro kit now although they jeep jamming 
you can service them, they always put such a small amount of lube inside them....take apart, clean, grease, put back togetheir and vwala!
 
although, if its the spanners, just try cleaning them out and using some 3 in 1 oil
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 6,569 
	Threads: 183 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
20 Location: eastwood/notts
 Car Model/Spec: moonstone hdi #2
 Thanks: 0Given 8 thank(s) in 8 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Yeah Halfords pro kit is brilliant, been nicking my dad's for last 5 years, not long ago bought my own.
	 
#2 Moonstone Blue HDI ![[Image: 6b0c7309-5184-463c-9f73-2a7b96601418_zpsfdf041fe.jpg]](http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/kent16_2008/6b0c7309-5184-463c-9f73-2a7b96601418_zpsfdf041fe.jpg) 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 1,070 
	Threads: 115 
	Joined: Oct 2012
	
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Got a socket set from Aldi, quality is good but the box moldings are very loose so every time you open the box all of the driver bits just fall out everywhere, it's really annoying, so based on that alone I wouldn't recommend the big Aldi socket set, buy their individual items by all means, just not the big box socket set with the 1/4" and 1/2" ratchets in them.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 3,467 
	Threads: 186 
	Joined: Mar 2012
	
 Reputation: 
38 Location: Manchester 
 Car Model/Spec: MG ZR VVC
 Thanks: 3Given 21 thank(s) in 19 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Well I got the kit for christmas , it was jammed as soon as I got it out the box went into the store to replace it and the guy threw up a fuss about the warrenty not covering the ratchet which I replied "okay buts its 2 days old and I havent used it yet because it was broken on arrival" he then begrudgenly gave me a replacement which has also jammed
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 15,646 
	Threads: 541 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
124 Location: Aylesbury
 Car Model/Spec: 320bhp Impreza WRX
 Thanks: 7Given 59 thank(s) in 58 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		I destroy cheep tools but I've never had an issue with the halfords pro stuff.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Got some halfords professional ratchet spanners and they seem to work quite well! I've got a advanced 3/8 ratchet and it locks every time i apply pressure to it.
 Anyone know anything about this "Bergen" brand?
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,135 
	Threads: 78 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
49 Location: Chichester 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		I think Bergen is just another name given to cheaper generic tools, I see the same stuff pop up over and over and one of the names is usually that... "Good quality" and "cheap" don't usually go too well together, applies well to tools. Halfords stuff is generally good and convenient to get hold of. 
 As a general rule, there's nothing wrong with having plenty of cheaper tools to smash around and abuse. But stuff like ratchets, ratchet spanners, sockets and torque wrenches etc want to be decent quality. I use Snap-On ratchets and torque wrenches, but it's always good to have some old spanners/screwdrivers/bars and stuff to beat the shit out of if need be.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 6,482 
	Threads: 226 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
24 Location: Cornwall
 Car Model/Spec: A3 TDi 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Halfords pro, its the best thing for the home diyer, i reckon you could use there stuff day in day out but people are show offs and like the tool truck. Of course some people say snap on or nothing. Nothing wrong with teng tools either tbh my local motor factors sell teng stuff so any little bits i buy are all teng. And Edd China uses them so they much be good    Just my 2p, dont shout at me.
	
Doesnt even own a 306.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,135 
	Threads: 78 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
49 Location: Chichester 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		There's definitely nothing wrong with Teng, I like their tools. I like my little 3/8 torque wrench   .
	
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		I remember watching someone break 2 snap-on T40 torx sockets trying to get a bolt out, then a bloke bought a no-name t40 socket that cracked it off. 
 Halfords pro seem to generally be favourited i see!
 
 Just another name to throw out there, they're not necessarily cheap but Britool expert range!
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 19,854 
	Threads: 581 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
195 Location: Bournemouth
 Car Model/Spec: Supercharged 306 GTi6
       Thanks: 36Given 82 thank(s) in 78 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (25-02-2014, 06:06 PM)Curt Wrote:  I think Bergen is just another name given to cheaper generic tools, I see the same stuff pop up over and over and one of the names is usually that... "Good quality" and "cheap" don't usually go too well together, applies well to tools. Halfords stuff is generally good and convenient to get hold of. 
 As a general rule, there's nothing wrong with having plenty of cheaper tools to smash around and abuse. But stuff like ratchets, ratchet spanners, sockets and torque wrenches etc want to be decent quality. I use Snap-On ratchets and torque wrenches, but it's always good to have some old spanners/screwdrivers/bars and stuff to beat the shit out of if need be.
 
100% this. With ratchets, spend as much as you can. If you use a snap on ratchet, you will notice the difference big time but like Curt said, sometimes you need a screw driver or spanner to to smash to pieces and don't care if your break it.
	 
Team Eaton
 
 1999 China Blue 306 GTi6 - Eaton Supercharged - 214.5bhp 181lbft
 
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 15 
	Threads: 2 
	Joined: Nov 2013
	
 Location: Tidworth, Wilts
 Car Model/Spec: 306 1.6 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		same as most I use Halfords Pro. Not to expensive, good quality and a life time guarantee!
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 730 
	Threads: 26 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
4 Location: Monaghan/fermanagh.
 Thanks: 1Given 6 thank(s) in 6 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Ive a mix of brands, ive a good bit of draper expert spanners, sockets and ratchets and ive never had a minutes bother with them. Some of the cheaper brands I would have is us pro and neilsen also seems decent enough ive there stubby spanners and extra long spanners and havent broke any yet. Have also started buying beta stuff but its quite expensive.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Fairly certain the US Pro/Bergen are made by the same people too. But in the tool industry you hear a LOT of rumours about who makes what etc.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 730 
	Threads: 26 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
4 Location: Monaghan/fermanagh.
 Thanks: 1Given 6 thank(s) in 6 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Yea thats true theres alot of rumors of whats what. The us pro stuff also seems fairly similar to sealey. Ive various sealey timing kits and have seen the us pro versions which look identical.
 Last year I bought a neilsen sac clutch tool, every bit of it was the same as the dearer sealey version even the manuals inside the box were sealey for some reason.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,135 
	Threads: 78 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
49 Location: Chichester 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		As I said earlier, a lot of it is just generic tools which are all the same, just with a different brand/price.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 6,258 
	Threads: 371 
	Joined: Feb 2014
	
 Reputation: 
29 Location: suffolk
 Car Model/Spec: ford fiesta 
   Thanks: 4Given 82 thank(s) in 82 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		I work as a tech I use mainly teng, halfords pro and sealy . some bits for me were worth paying for snap on but not a lot. I've even got a set of sockets from Argos I got when I was 14 and most are still going even after 7 years in the trade. Stanley spanners and ratchets are OK too
	 
On a break from 306oc for personal reasons. If anyone needs or wants me most of you have my number and or facebook messengerThanks for the good times guys n gals. I might be back. Who knows.
 
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 367 
	Threads: 36 
	Joined: Sep 2012
	
 Reputation: 
2 Location: Newcastle
 Car Model/Spec: PH2 Dturbo
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		I've been using the halfords ratchets, and they're ok as long as you grease the insides up, if not they jam pretty easily.However i've been using bluepoint ratchets, and havn't failed me once.
 Cheap crappy draper ones end up exploding the side of the ratchet, so just get welded up to be used as a small breaker bar.
 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Got some good experience here guys! The good old weld and use again method has been done with a breaker bar of mine and it's had some rate hammer too since! Agree with the halfords and jamming, the 3/8th is a nightmare for jamming
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,135 
	Threads: 78 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
49 Location: Chichester 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		That's about the only thing it's really worth spending out on Snap-On for, is the ratchets. Although they could do with being a little softer IMO. Oh and tool boxes, of course...
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (25-02-2014, 09:37 PM)Curt Wrote:  That's about the only thing it's really worth spending out on Snap-On for, is the ratchets. Although they could do with being a little softer IMO. Oh and tool boxes, of course... 
Might have to crack the wallet and get some snap on ratchets, no spending for a month though...
 
My tool box is Snap On, pre-dates me by 20 years, easily. Still works perfectly.
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 730 
	Threads: 26 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
4 Location: Monaghan/fermanagh.
 Thanks: 1Given 6 thank(s) in 6 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		What draper ratchets are yous bursting? Ive a 3/8" and 1/2" one of this type: ![[Image: 3175ZZ8EKHL.jpg]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/3175ZZ8EKHL.jpg)  
Use the 1/2" one near enough every day and had various pipes on it and have never had a problem with it, and its about 4 years old.
	
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 732 
	Threads: 58 
	Joined: Feb 2013
	
 Reputation: 
0 Location: piggys mums
 Car Model/Spec: v70r
 Thanks: 0Given 1 thank(s) in 1 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (25-02-2014, 10:05 PM)ConorTRG Wrote:  What draper ratchets are yous bursting? Ive a 3/8" and 1/2" one of this type:
 
 ![[Image: 3175ZZ8EKHL.jpg]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/3175ZZ8EKHL.jpg) 
 Use the 1/2" one near enough every day and had various pipes on it and have never had a problem with it, and its about 4 years old.
 
My half inch sockets are all Draper, they've had some stick and are fine. Not used the ratchets but i hear Draper Expert stuff is pretty good
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 7,347 
	Threads: 163 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
53 Location: Leeds
 Car Model/Spec: 406 HDI
 Thanks: 0Given 18 thank(s) in 15 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		Surprised no one has mentioned Clarke, I'm a huge fan of their stuff. Better quality and cheaper than Halfords in my opinion...
	 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 3,467 
	Threads: 186 
	Joined: Mar 2012
	
 Reputation: 
38 Location: Manchester 
 Car Model/Spec: MG ZR VVC
 Thanks: 3Given 21 thank(s) in 19 post(s)
 
 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,189 
	Threads: 61 
	Joined: May 2012
	
 Reputation: 
11 Location: Bury  St  Edmunds Suffolk
 Car Model/Spec: rallye,Astor 6
 Thanks: 2Given 41 thank(s) in 41 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (25-02-2014, 11:04 PM)THE_Liam Wrote:  Surprised no one has mentioned Clarke, I'm a huge fan of their stuff. Better quality and cheaper than Halfords in my opinion... 
Second that got a fews bits though machine mart and all good so far    
Astor 6 Fast road/track project 
		
	 
	
	
	
		
	Posts: 4,135 
	Threads: 78 
	Joined: Dec 2011
	
 Reputation: 
49 Location: Chichester 
 Thanks: 0Given 0 thank(s) in 0 post(s)
 
 
	
	
		 (26-02-2014, 12:21 AM)lolsteve Wrote:  Draper... 
Those type of ratchets are rubbish, I'm not surprised    
		
	 |