ByeBye Diesels

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It's really not as simple as you are making out

Quite right. it's a workable suggestion, not a manifesto.
Problem is, instead of embrace something then work out the difficulties, the country (or shall I say the government) prefers the approach of highlighting all the problems with an idea and making sod all progress in any direction.

how is a single mother or father going to go sit somewhere all day? Put the kids in childcare? Great idea, another drain on the state and the adult doesn't have time to go look fir work or train towards a job

Sitting quietly is a suggestion.
It could be sitting and learning, or sitting and job hunting. The point is taking your "free time" away as at the moment it's free money do as you please.
For those with kids that are genuinely looking after them and are out of work, then perhaps there will be many in similar circumstances. So how about a get together parent and toddler group. We have them currently., No one is forced to go, but yet schools are finding that each year the intake of 4year olds are less able and capable of being in school. Kids are missing basic things like toilet training and being able to speak properly - so are some of the parents.
I'm not suggesting this is all down to the great unemployed with kids, but I'm sure out of work parents with free time would welcome free parent and toddler groups, especially if non-attendance means no money.

And hey, it might be a drain on the state today. But longer term, little johnny might turn out not to be an adult with no hope, no prospects and a bigger drain on the state during the rest of his life for 60+ years milking the system, than the 4 years prior to school where research suggests the character of a person is really formed.
Investing in children should be a priority. It's not the kid's fault that their parent is a feckless no hoper who doesn't give two shits about their status in the world. Unfortunately the parent is bringing up the child to be the same. We should intervene to fix that for the good of the child and for the good of society.

I'm for paying tax towards universally free state funded childcare. Tho admittedly I'd rather the money came from something pointless like trident.
Look to the Scandinavian countries for suitable success stories.

it's ok having opinions but you have to understand your situation is not the same as everyone else's, working for your dole is one thing but if you can work for your dole why can't they pay you a living wage for that work? Also if someone is doing a job for dole money then surely that could be a paid job for someone......

It seems that benefits are a living wage. Despite what some commentators may say there are plenty of people in the UK that are living on benefits solely. They are coping well enough. I don't see a need to give them any more.

I don't think you quite get it.
It's not about giving people something, especially not more!! We are doing that now and it's not working.
It's about empowering them to do better for themselves
Give a man a fish a day verses give them a rod.
They need empowering some how as currently they are either too lazy or CBA to do better because life is acceptable. Make their life unacceptable and they will take action.
No different to you not liking your current job and doing something about getting a better job. I see people here that hate their job but are comfortable enough on the money to CBA to change. Up to the point that balance changes and they get sick enough to find something else.

If you are on the dole for life so far and everything is ok, nothing is rocking your world significantly to push you off the dole.
That needs change and in my view it's down to a lack of understanding of reward for work and giving out free money.

Sticking someone in a room they don't want to be in for piss poor amount of money and taking away their current do as they please freedom is going to make most people try harder to find a better scenario.



And we have had a wave of immigration over the past decade filling jobs that the several million British unemployed are not interested in doing themselves.
Some of those jobs are skilled but by far most are unskilled and thus many British unemployed could have done them if we had taken more action to force them off benefits and into the jobs that were available. Because clearly they were not interested in doing it themselves. Why ?
Because benefits are clearly better than having to go to a job for little (comparatively) extra money compared to loosing your freedom whilst getting money for doing nowt.

/rant