18 to 24 up to £57.35
25 or over up to £72.40
So divide by 6 (7 days in a week, some people work 6 days a week so you can too).
that's your daily wage. Enjoy the silence
I have no issue with people that live in council houses. I have no issue with people down on their luck.
I've been unemployed. I never claimed but that's a different story and was my choice.
I don't have an issue with paying benefits to people that need them whilst they find a job.
I have a big issue with paying money and getting nothing in return. Or to people that have no intention of getting a job.
I see no reason why we cannot pay benefits in return for something tangible.
Whilst you may consider sitting quietly all day is some sort of punishment, it's actually a more extreme education on the reality of what it means to have a job that you don't necessarily like.
I grew up in a town with people who were 3rd or 4th generation unemployed.
Where there is nothing to do but rob and have babies, becoming a great grand mother by 50 is some sort of badge of honour.
Where working has become getting as much free govt money as possible and milking the system.
But yet as above, the better off in society are having less kids. They want to them to grow up to be comfortable too, they spend time with them, they develop them as people.
The other side of the coin has many families where they don't give a hoot about what their kids get up to and have little in the way of life skills to offer them.
It's actually tragic for whole generations to have very little to zero hope of bettering themselves from birth.
If only because their feckless parents are not interested in bettering themselves or their offspring.
Extreme measures are needed to fix things now as we've let it all go too far down the wrong path since the welfare state was introduced.
Look to countries that have genuine poor people living in utter poverty in shacks with no water or electric.
All they want is to better themselves and have better lives for their kids.
Sadly we have a section of society in this country and throughout the west that don't give two hoots about bettering themselves and that tells me that their lives are too cushy and they are getting too much for free whilst giving nothing in return.
If it were otherwise, they would be doing something about it.
The usual 50" LCD's full sky, latest phone, all brighthouse mod cons.
It just should not be possible on free money which is supposed to be (should be) for stopping folks from starving.
Not giving them an acceptable lifestyle that allows them to enjoy life without contributing to the society that they are milking and bleeding dry.
It's not slave labour.
No force to be there at all. If you don't want to go it's entirely optional.
But that just means the govt doesn't give you any money.
It's a choice.
Doesn't have to be sitting quietly.
Could be giving people lifeskills or education.
We are doing this already for free, so why not link it into receiving benefits ?
Already you have to sign on to continue to get the payment. Why not sign on and spend a day in a classroom in order to get payment ?
Not after slaves. Just after a return on my investment as a taxpayer.
25 or over up to £72.40
So divide by 6 (7 days in a week, some people work 6 days a week so you can too).
that's your daily wage. Enjoy the silence
I have no issue with people that live in council houses. I have no issue with people down on their luck.
I've been unemployed. I never claimed but that's a different story and was my choice.
I don't have an issue with paying benefits to people that need them whilst they find a job.
I have a big issue with paying money and getting nothing in return. Or to people that have no intention of getting a job.
I see no reason why we cannot pay benefits in return for something tangible.
Whilst you may consider sitting quietly all day is some sort of punishment, it's actually a more extreme education on the reality of what it means to have a job that you don't necessarily like.
I grew up in a town with people who were 3rd or 4th generation unemployed.
Where there is nothing to do but rob and have babies, becoming a great grand mother by 50 is some sort of badge of honour.
Where working has become getting as much free govt money as possible and milking the system.
But yet as above, the better off in society are having less kids. They want to them to grow up to be comfortable too, they spend time with them, they develop them as people.
The other side of the coin has many families where they don't give a hoot about what their kids get up to and have little in the way of life skills to offer them.
It's actually tragic for whole generations to have very little to zero hope of bettering themselves from birth.
If only because their feckless parents are not interested in bettering themselves or their offspring.
Extreme measures are needed to fix things now as we've let it all go too far down the wrong path since the welfare state was introduced.
Look to countries that have genuine poor people living in utter poverty in shacks with no water or electric.
All they want is to better themselves and have better lives for their kids.
Sadly we have a section of society in this country and throughout the west that don't give two hoots about bettering themselves and that tells me that their lives are too cushy and they are getting too much for free whilst giving nothing in return.
If it were otherwise, they would be doing something about it.
The usual 50" LCD's full sky, latest phone, all brighthouse mod cons.
It just should not be possible on free money which is supposed to be (should be) for stopping folks from starving.
Not giving them an acceptable lifestyle that allows them to enjoy life without contributing to the society that they are milking and bleeding dry.
(10-12-2014, 01:58 PM)Mattcheese31 Wrote: first problem though, state slave labour force
It's not slave labour.
No force to be there at all. If you don't want to go it's entirely optional.
But that just means the govt doesn't give you any money.
It's a choice.
Doesn't have to be sitting quietly.
Could be giving people lifeskills or education.
We are doing this already for free, so why not link it into receiving benefits ?
Already you have to sign on to continue to get the payment. Why not sign on and spend a day in a classroom in order to get payment ?
Not after slaves. Just after a return on my investment as a taxpayer.