Ok didn't mean to cause offence, just thought i'd explain why the phrase was originally coined - as a way of describing something that went beyond a stage 1 but didn't reach all the way to stage 2. If JP wants to use it to describe a heavy stage 1 that's up to him, i hadn't realised that was how he'd been marketing them. I didn't mean any criticism by it, was just trying to help explain things to the OP and yourself. It's all just words at the end of the day, they mean whatever the person saying them wants them to mean and nothing more or less. 
This is what's really important.
(04-04-2014, 01:57 PM)powerandtorque Wrote: To be honest, whether what I have is technically a St1 or 1+ makes little odds to me - all I care about is that it has dramatically improved the car and frankly was an utter bargain in terms of improvement for the money spent
This is what's really important.