Number 9

[Toms306]

Didn't really explain my self very well. What I'm saying is the majority of the market is people who just want a car to get them from a to b. that's the reason why the likes of the gti didn't sell anywhere near as well as the hdi.
And how can you life flyby wire throttles? If yours is anything like mine, it's harder to keep control of the speed you want to do and does your ankle no good being hinged at the floor! And DMFs, even when working are pretty pointless. Learn how to use a clutch and there completely irrelevant.

Edit: oh and my grandad drives a pug 3008 and my old man drives either a pug partner or my 6 seeing as he rarely has use for a car now days! Just because your older and can afford the insurance on a faster car doesn't mean you should do it!

Hmm, that's fair enough I guess. Was going on my own experiences - my dad drives a v6 mondeo, my uncle drives a 525d now he's sold the Marcos, my grandad drove a c3 vtr....not exactly slow pov spec cars lol.

Nope mine wasn't like yours it was a proper pedal in the right place lol. And have you been in a pd with a smf conversion? The noise is ridiculous lol, my mate done it on his mk5!!

i think your both missing the point anyway.

Cars are cars with modern manufacturing techniques being as they are they are all substantally the same like samsungs and apples lol.

If you want real fun get a superbike i have car and a bike. the car is my daily but when i want some insane adrenaline i opt for the 600 ninja.........

I've never seen the attraction of bikes myself. Requires effort to balance and you have to keep putting feet down to stop. Can't make any sudden/stupid manouvres at speed like you can with 4 wheels. I hate wind rush with a window down, must be horrible on a bike. Plus i guess you don't use a ninja in the winter lol, but any sort of weather other than sun is crap too......rain, wind, snow, freezing temps don't really bother me on a nice warm, dry car.....

But I can see its the adrenaline they that you get out of it, but its not for me lol.

No 150bhp Hdi? Probably the same reason peugeot 'allegedly' had to tune back the 1.9td, as it was completing with the sportier XSi.

Then make a better xsi, its shit anyway, they could've got near enough the same power from the 1.8 if they'd tried. The xsi is irrelevant imo, not good enough to warrant buying that over the 1.8, or if you'd got it, spend a bit more for a 6. They should've atleast made the hdi as quick as the 1.8 imo (remind me again why they didn't put the 110 in the 306?).......which is actually what vag did, 1.8t is 150bhp, gt tdi is 150bhp, and they still had faster petrols so they didn't lose out selling those.

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No 150bhp Hdi? Probably the same reason peugeot 'allegedly' had to tune back the 1.9td, as it was completing with the sportier XSi.

Why allegedly? Why else would 20-30bhp be available at the turn of a screw? You can't tell me Peugeot would get the tuning that wrong?

They're not tuned for power though. They're tuned for emmisions regs, economy, range of temperatures, and to keep the engine as long as the warranty, throwing rods after a few years wouldn't be ideal lol.

Same as any car, which is why fiddling screws or flashing maps usually gets you an extra 20bhp plus on most diesels.

Still not an excuse for that poor amount of power from a 1.9 though lol.