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D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
I have a Phase 1 D Turbo S with a Lucas Pump and KKK K14 Turbo. I know this thread has been done a million times, but i'm more concerned about the reliability of the engine. If i was to go for a stage 1 on my car would it be more than safe to run? (Have had bad luck with performance and reliability in the past)
RE: D Turbo tuning. - declantg - 20-05-2013
It will be fine mate
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
Cheers mate, also, is it mandatory that i use a performance filter/straight through exhaust?
RE: D Turbo tuning. - 4WayDiablo - 20-05-2013
Most seem to say that Peugeot detuned them out the box because of the potential to interfere power wise of the 1.8/XSI
Obviously though if you put more power through things then things can wear out a lot quicker.
There is always a trade off between power and reliability
You don't have to have a performance or free flowing exhaust but it will massively to help get the gasses out and keep EGT's down
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 11:03 AM)4WayDiablo Wrote: Most seem to say that Peugeot detuned them out the box because of the potential to interfere power wise of the 1.8/XSI
Obviously though if you put more power through things then things can wear out a lot quicker.
There is always a trade off between power and reliability
You don't have to have a performance or free flowing exhaust but it will massively to help get the gasses out and keep EGT's down
It wouldn't of surprised me to be honest, even by today's standards D Turbo's aren't that bad... Standard engine wear is fine, just don't want my engine to give up because i'm pushing 18-20 PSi through a K14 which I've heard isn't the best turbo either...
The exhaust, as it's a standard de-cat was just thinking of a straight through back box? Also i've heard that because of the pressure difference in the exhaust when straight through can upset the turbo?
D Turbo tuning. - RePT - 20-05-2013
Ive been pushing 20psi through a k03. Its made its way down to 17 now...hopefully its on its way out
Cant wait to get 24-26 psi on a t2!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Tom - 20-05-2013
K14's take alot of abuse if you keep ontop your oil changes. I read somewhere on here its the biggest of all stock turbos but im not sure :/
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 12:06 PM)RePT Wrote: Ive been pushing 20psi through a k03. Its made its way down to 17 now...hopefully its on its way out
Cant wait to get 24-26 psi on a t2!
Was looking at a T2 as apparently they're the turbo to have on an XUD (even though a GT15 suits the engine delivery better but the boost comes and goes quick)?
(20-05-2013, 12:27 PM)Tom Wrote: K14's take alot of abuse if you keep ontop your oil changes. I read somewhere on here its the biggest of all stock turbos but im not sure :/
I saw they could only, safely run 20 PSI and that anymore would blow it to bits! Surely a turn of the actuator is 16-18 PSI? Also i know the fuel economy will drop after doing this, but by how much?
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Anton - 20-05-2013
People have run T2's and K14's at 30+ psi, should make over 140bhp with them at that psi. For a stage 1 id be looking at atleast 20psi.
Fuel economy should increase! You've been told quite a bit of rubbish....
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 12:45 PM)Anton Wrote: People have run T2's and K14's at 30+ psi, should make over 140bhp with them at that psi. For a stage 1 id be looking at atleast 20psi.
Fuel economy should increase! You've been told quite a bit of rubbish....
As long as i have confidence in doing 20 PSi then i'll do it.
I have been told a lot of rubbish, but hey, that's why i'm here, try and find out from people who know what they're on about!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - silverzx - 20-05-2013
Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
RE: D Turbo tuning. - CJ_Derv - 20-05-2013
Slap a bosch and TD04 on it )
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 20-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Just gonna run it at between 18-20 PSi for a week or two and see how shes runs!
(20-05-2013, 10:25 PM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Slap a bosch and TD04 on it )
That's the dream mate!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - CJ_Derv - 21-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 11:40 PM)ADV_93 Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Just gonna run it at between 18-20 PSi for a week or two and see how shes runs!
(20-05-2013, 10:25 PM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Slap a bosch and TD04 on it )
That's the dream mate!
Its not really can be done for less than 200 quid if you look in the right places and do the work yourself
D Turbo tuning. - Jake - 21-05-2013
(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Mattcheese31 - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
until HG went . .didn't it? . . .:p
D Turbo tuning. - Jake - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 08:32 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
until HG went . .didn't it? . . .:p
HG went before I put the turbo on... Then I had the head rebuilt and fitted the td04 while changing the head..
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Mattcheese31 - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 08:43 AM)Jake Wrote:(21-05-2013, 08:32 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote: Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
until HG went . .didn't it? . . .:p
HG went before I put the turbo on... Then I had the head rebuilt and fitted the td04 while changing the head..
ahaa fair doos matey . . .
D Turbo tuning. - Jake - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 08:46 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(21-05-2013, 08:43 AM)Jake Wrote:(21-05-2013, 08:32 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote: until HG went . .didn't it? . . .:p
HG went before I put the turbo on... Then I had the head rebuilt and fitted the td04 while changing the head..
ahaa fair doos matey . . .
That's what was good about my DT the engine outlasted everything else !
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 07:05 AM)CJ_Derv Wrote:(20-05-2013, 11:40 PM)ADV_93 Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Just gonna run it at between 18-20 PSi for a week or two and see how shes runs!
(20-05-2013, 10:25 PM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Slap a bosch and TD04 on it )
That's the dream mate!
Its not really can be done for less than 200 quid if you look in the right places and do the work yourself
From what i was hearing, it costed a lot more than £200 to grab a TD04! May not be so long after all!
(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
Why was it not ran on FMIC? That's insane boost
D Turbo tuning. - Jake - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 11:09 AM)ADV_93 Wrote:(21-05-2013, 07:05 AM)CJ_Derv Wrote:(20-05-2013, 11:40 PM)ADV_93 Wrote: Just gonna run it at between 18-20 PSi for a week or two and see how shes runs!
That's the dream mate!
Its not really can be done for less than 200 quid if you look in the right places and do the work yourself
From what i was hearing, it costed a lot more than £200 to grab a TD04! May not be so long after all!
(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote:(20-05-2013, 03:07 PM)silverzx Wrote: Wouldn't bother with more then 24PSI on a TMIC.
If FMIC'd then just keep going..
Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
Why was it not ran on FMIC? That's insane boost
Because I'm a Fking badass that's why...
(I was just too skint to ever but one haha)
RE: D Turbo tuning. - silverzx - 21-05-2013
I was referring to no point running more than 24 PSI on a standard turbo on a TMIC.
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 21-05-2013
(21-05-2013, 11:21 AM)Jake Wrote:(21-05-2013, 11:09 AM)ADV_93 Wrote:(21-05-2013, 07:05 AM)CJ_Derv Wrote: Its not really can be done for less than 200 quid if you look in the right places and do the work yourself
From what i was hearing, it costed a lot more than £200 to grab a TD04! May not be so long after all!
(21-05-2013, 08:19 AM)Jake Wrote: Meh... I ran 30psi on my td04 with a top mount... It was fine.
Why was it not ran on FMIC? That's insane boost
Because I'm a Fking badass that's why...
(I was just too skint to ever but one haha)
I want this, but on a FMIC
RE: D Turbo tuning. - CJ_Derv - 21-05-2013
Check my latest thread TD04 consequences but had a good 12month innings
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 22-05-2013
Right, adjusted the max fuelling by quarter of a turn, and the compensator 1 and a half turns (at 2 and a half turns it wound out) then tried to adjust the wastegate by 1 turn (however the 2.5mm allen key was slightly rounded, so may have to have a go tomorrow with lots of WD40 and some good grips!) Also, connected up a boost gauge and it read 10-12 PSI (but they come standard with 14 PSI, so slightly lost on this?). BUT driving it felt a LOT more torquier and willing to rev! Also, no turbo lag in 2nd gear now!!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Mattcheese31 - 22-05-2013
(22-05-2013, 12:28 AM)ADV_93 Wrote: Right, adjusted the max fuelling by quarter of a turn, and the compensator 1 and a half turns (at 2 and a half turns it wound out) then tried to adjust the wastegate by 1 turn (however the 2.5mm allen key was slightly rounded, so may have to have a go tomorrow with lots of WD40 and some good grips!) Also, connected up a boost gauge and it read 10-12 PSI (but they come standard with 14 PSI, so slightly lost on this?). BUT driving it felt a LOT more torquier and willing to rev! Also, no turbo lag in 2nd gear now!!
you wind the wastegate IN mate not out, CLOCKWISE to get more boost pressure . .
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 22-05-2013
(22-05-2013, 08:14 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(22-05-2013, 12:28 AM)ADV_93 Wrote: Right, adjusted the max fuelling by quarter of a turn, and the compensator 1 and a half turns (at 2 and a half turns it wound out) then tried to adjust the wastegate by 1 turn (however the 2.5mm allen key was slightly rounded, so may have to have a go tomorrow with lots of WD40 and some good grips!) Also, connected up a boost gauge and it read 10-12 PSI (but they come standard with 14 PSI, so slightly lost on this?). BUT driving it felt a LOT more torquier and willing to rev! Also, no turbo lag in 2nd gear now!!
you wind the wastegate IN mate not out, CLOCKWISE to get more boost pressure . .
I did mate
! I have read how some people have had to turn it 3 or 4 times to get it doing anything! But driving it, feels like it's boosting a lot more than 10 i tell ya! Gonna have a crack later with a boost gauge try and get it higher! Cambelt and oil change friday hopefully!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Mattcheese31 - 22-05-2013
(22-05-2013, 11:01 AM)ADV_93 Wrote:(22-05-2013, 08:14 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(22-05-2013, 12:28 AM)ADV_93 Wrote: Right, adjusted the max fuelling by quarter of a turn, and the compensator 1 and a half turns (at 2 and a half turns it wound out) then tried to adjust the wastegate by 1 turn (however the 2.5mm allen key was slightly rounded, so may have to have a go tomorrow with lots of WD40 and some good grips!) Also, connected up a boost gauge and it read 10-12 PSI (but they come standard with 14 PSI, so slightly lost on this?). BUT driving it felt a LOT more torquier and willing to rev! Also, no turbo lag in 2nd gear now!!
you wind the wastegate IN mate not out, CLOCKWISE to get more boost pressure . .
I did mate
wind it ALL the way in then back it off half a turn mate, that's the way to do it . .
RE: D Turbo tuning. - ADV_93 - 22-05-2013
(22-05-2013, 11:16 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote:(22-05-2013, 11:01 AM)ADV_93 Wrote:(22-05-2013, 08:14 AM)Mattcheese31 Wrote: you wind the wastegate IN mate not out, CLOCKWISE to get more boost pressure . .
I did mate
wind it ALL the way in then back it off half a turn mate, that's the way to do it . .
Haha! What boost will that be running then? 26+?! Only aiming for 18!
RE: D Turbo tuning. - Anton - 22-05-2013
Just wind the actuator in and control the boost with fueling. Or better fit an MBC, bugger keep adjusting the actuator!