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RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 04:56 PM)Midnightclub Wrote: About 140kg.... that is a lot, but tbh if you had 400bhp i don't think you'd care lol, saying that though.. it could upset the handling a bit, but if it was going to be custom fabbed then you could probably have it sat a little further back
is that it? thats lighter than a gti lump. i thought it was closer to the 180 mark.
Hmmmm this could work well in the peugeot partner im looking at buying
RE: turboing my gti... - samass - 25-09-2012
so tempted to 'accidentally' swap engines with the volvo.... 2.0 16v xsi V70?
no.
2.5T XSi....
RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
dont do it. its not exactly fast and practically no boost. Get a t5r engine in there
RE: turboing my gti... - samass - 25-09-2012
yeah, or, just bolt on a t5r turbo and remap it
OR
bolt on one from a train, THEN remap it
RE: turboing my gti... - ginge191 - 25-09-2012
Anyone?
(21-09-2012, 09:45 PM)brake-dust Wrote: only problem i cant overcome in my head is the map sensor..... any suggestions??
RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 05:27 PM)ginge191 Wrote: Anyone?
(21-09-2012, 09:45 PM)brake-dust Wrote: only problem i cant overcome in my head is the map sensor..... any suggestions??
Well you can either do it the bodge way which i think is put the current map pre charge.
the second way is to get a 3bar map and put it post charge and have it mapped in properly but that obviously needs aftermarket management. But then again if your turboing, youd be stupid not to go aftermarket management
turboing my gti... - Jonny b - 25-09-2012
Well if its knocking get another engine ready, bolt a turbo on to the knocker and hope you sort out any issues before you kill it lol
turboing my gti... - THE_Liam - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 04:01 PM)Midnightclub Wrote: Because the 406 lump is heavier than a 6' engine and makes less power as standard too, have a feeling they don't flow very well too..
A saab turbo engine would be an interesting swap... can't see it being that much of a pita either if it was run on aftermarket management.. hmm...
EDIT: so the b204 is a saab engine......
Yeah but if we're on about cheap turbo power you should be able to get 200bhp including the engine swap for £500 with the 406 lump. As for the B204, it'd be a big job but 500bhp is possible with pretty much standard internals...
RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
b235R is the one you want. B204 is the 2.3 LPT i think?
turboing my gti... - THE_Liam - 25-09-2012
I though the B204 was the 2.0 HPT from the old 9000 Turbo 16?
RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
ah possible. I dont know a huge amount about the engines in the old 9000s tbh. i know people used to get b235r's over 500bhp on stock internals and it was very easy to do!
RE: turboing my gti... - Ed Doe - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 05:30 PM)Niall Wrote:(25-09-2012, 05:27 PM)ginge191 Wrote: Anyone?
(21-09-2012, 09:45 PM)brake-dust Wrote: only problem i cant overcome in my head is the map sensor..... any suggestions??
Well you can either do it the bodge way which i think is put the current map pre charge.
the second way is to get a 3bar map and put it post charge and have it mapped in properly but that obviously needs aftermarket management. But then again if your turboing, youd be stupid not to go aftermarket management
just thinking through this logically, surely you can't bodge the map sensor in pre turbo like you can with the supercharger conversions due to the difference on how they supply the air to the engine. Ie if you map it To provide fuel as if you were flooring it from 1000rpm to 7000rpm in gear, the fuelling curve would be completely different to if you clutch kicked it at 1000rpm. You'd then run lean cause the map sensor isnt measuring what air is actually making it onto the cylinders...
turboing my gti... - THE_Liam - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 06:47 PM)Niall Wrote: ah possible. I dont know a huge amount about the engines in the old 9000s tbh. i know people used to get b235r's over 500bhp on stock internals and it was very easy to do!
My mate has a 9000 he bought for £350, spent £600 on it and it dynos at 390bhp, pretty sure thats a B204
RE: turboing my gti... - Niall - 25-09-2012
hmmm valid point. Not sure how you would overcome that one tbh. Dont understand mapping in that much detail
(25-09-2012, 07:02 PM)THE_Liam Wrote:(25-09-2012, 06:47 PM)Niall Wrote: ah possible. I dont know a huge amount about the engines in the old 9000s tbh. i know people used to get b235r's over 500bhp on stock internals and it was very easy to do!
My mate has a 9000 he bought for £350, spent £600 on it and it dynos at 390bhp, pretty sure thats a B204
Epic!
turboing my gti... - THE_Liam - 25-09-2012
It really is! TOTALLY standard on the outside except that the standard wheels are painted black
RE: turboing my gti... - Ruan - 25-09-2012
(25-09-2012, 06:56 PM)Ed Doe Wrote:(25-09-2012, 05:30 PM)Niall Wrote:(25-09-2012, 05:27 PM)ginge191 Wrote: Anyone?
Well you can either do it the bodge way which i think is put the current map pre charge.
the second way is to get a 3bar map and put it post charge and have it mapped in properly but that obviously needs aftermarket management. But then again if your turboing, youd be stupid not to go aftermarket management
just thinking through this logically, surely you can't bodge the map sensor in pre turbo like you can with the supercharger conversions due to the difference on how they supply the air to the engine. Ie if you map it To provide fuel as if you were flooring it from 1000rpm to 7000rpm in gear, the fuelling curve would be completely different to if you clutch kicked it at 1000rpm. You'd then run lean cause the map sensor isnt measuring what air is actually making it onto the cylinders...
Nah, it's purely down to the fact it's not consistent with engine RPMs - the ECU needs to know when the airflow rate into the engine increases (i.e. turbo spins up...) so it can adjust the IQ and timing.
Not only that, you shouldn't put a turbo between the throttle plate, you'll wreck the thrust bearing.
Think about how the ECU is knowing the quantity of air going into the engine - the IAW 1AP doesn't understand boost without significant modification, it's only the SC setups that can do the pikey map before the charger, between the throttle plate...
RE: turboing my gti... - Ed Doe - 25-09-2012
So i was right? Oooh *feels smug*
RE: turboing my gti... - thethorne - 07-10-2012
Its dead now any way. he sold it after it shit it's self big time.
i stole/swapped loads of trim and stuff off it for mine (happy days).