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Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 17-02-2015
Hi,
I've been a bit lax on here recently, concentrating on other things - but thought I would update with the latest little project on the go...
I've been doing a lot of work on a load of Fabia vRS' recently, and needed something to do some development on - so went to the auction and bought this:
![[Image: IMG-20150116-WA0007_zpsp3wpyjom.jpg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG-20150116-WA0007_zpsp3wpyjom.jpg.html)
Didn't stay standard very long, as soon as I got it back to the unit, the box came off and one of our uprated clutch kits went on:
![[Image: IMG-20150117-WA0009_zpsiogsd9is.jpeg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG-20150117-WA0009_zpsiogsd9is.jpeg.html)
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and a set of coilies:
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and then mapped it to 170hp and 300lbft while the clutch bedded in.
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Gave the car a proper details, and dropped it on the coilies:
![[Image: IMG_20150120_153843488_zpshrpfaski.jpg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG_20150120_153843488_zpshrpfaski.jpg.html)
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Picked up a set of Audi TT comps, had the powdercoated in anthracite (the colour I seem to have all of my wheels done!!)
![[Image: IMG_196882033138692_zps75yytbum.jpeg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG_196882033138692_zps75yytbum.jpeg.html)
![[Image: IMG_20150215_181659289_zpsi4jh8gq0.jpg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG_20150215_181659289_zpsi4jh8gq0.jpg.html)
I have since gutted the cat, fitted one of our new EGR delete pipes, and gone further with the mapping now the clutch is properly bedded in. It's good for over 400lbft, but it'll need a bigger turbo before that becomes an issue (which incidentally I have already ordered from the supplier!)
I've also got a Forge FMIC in the unit, ready to fit - but there's not a lot of point while it's on the stock, baby turbo.. this will get done at the same time.
How the car sits at the moment:
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and lastly, after all the time, effort and money I've put into the 306 - I decided to keep it. He is tucked up safely in the unit for the moment:
![[Image: IMG_20150216_173400656_zpszmd7ordp.jpg]](http://s179.photobucket.com/user/jammapic/media/IMG_20150216_173400656_zpszmd7ordp.jpg.html)
Cheers,
JP
RE: Project Fabia TDi - 1616six - 17-02-2015
Hmm, it's a Skoda.
I prefer the alternative bodies.. Ibiza looks much better IMO.
It also looks very faded?!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 17-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 10:55 AM)JJ0063 Wrote: Hmm, it's a Skoda.
I prefer the alternative bodies.. Ibiza looks much better IMO.
It also looks very faded?!
It's not faded, it's an early one in Lemon Yellow, rather than the later ones which are much deeper yellow.
It is a skoda, it's bright yellow, and it's got lunar mileage on it... but it was very cheap - and required for development!
JP
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - 1616six - 17-02-2015
Feel free to 'develop' on my N47 3 series?
Skint but want a map!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 17-02-2015
Drop me a message, I'm sure we can work something out!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Chris_90 - 17-02-2015
My mates just bought a polo 9n gt tdi basically same as this, nice car for certain but there's no excitement when giving it some stick. Guessing they go alot better with a remap? Can they just be mapped over the obd port? Or is it ecu out?
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 17-02-2015
They are all EDC15p, they can all be mapped over the port.
GT TDi is actually slightly better than this, where the Fabia is a PD130, and the Polo is a PD130 - they are infact quite different...
The Polo gets a better turbo, Garrett rather than KKK, and has slightly bigger injectors (the same as the PD150) whereas the early ASV engined Fabias get a smaller nozzle.
The Polo will tune to 180hp and 300lbft all day, every day.
JP
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Toms306 - 17-02-2015
Still miss my PD130-180 Golf lol, remaps were only £40 and so easy to flash on them!! Not sure on the colour of yours (not that it matters for your engine work!) but I do like a Fabia VRS in black!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Pete - 17-02-2015
Nice, I do like these, considering one if I blag a company van
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Chris_90 - 17-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 11:38 AM)jammapic Wrote: They are all EDC15p, they can all be mapped over the port.
GT TDi is actually slightly better than this, where the Fabia is a PD130, and the Polo is a PD130 - they are infact quite different...
The Polo gets a better turbo, Garrett rather than KKK, and has slightly bigger injectors (the same as the PD150) whereas the early ASV engined Fabias get a smaller nozzle.
The Polo will tune to 180hp and 300lbft all day, every day.
JP
How much is it for a map for one? I'll tell my mate about it cos hes looking at remaps
(17-02-2015, 12:10 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Still miss my PD130-180 Golf lol, remaps were only £40 and so easy to flash on them!! Not sure on the colour of yours (not that it matters for your engine work!) but I do like a Fabia VRS in black!
£40 map? We're from guessing it's not a brilliant map?
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Toms306 - 17-02-2015
Blacksmoke.co.uk
Generic maps but tried and tested and originally tweaked on a rolling road. Didn't have any problems with my map...it was all the mechanical parts that couldn't cope with the power lol.
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Tom - 17-02-2015
Jp's maps are better...
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 17-02-2015
Haha... that from experience Tom ;-)??
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - 1616six - 17-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 01:07 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Generic maps but tried and tested and originally tweaked on a rolling road. Didn't have any problems with my map...it was all the mechanical parts that couldn't cope with the power lol.
That's probably half the problem.. generic maps that spike, overboost and the like and kill engines!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Toms306 - 17-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 03:14 PM)Tom Wrote: Jp's maps are better...
Can't comment on which is better lol, JP wasn't mapping for other people when I done mine (3 years ago now!). So the choice was big company custom at £300 or blacksmoke at £40... Bugged Andy (blacksmoke owner) with emails for a couple of weeks checking things and to get EGR delete etc and got what I wanted for cheap...at the same time people on here were paying ~£100 for Steve and Whippy maps on 306s lol.
The maps JP does for the HDi's are excellent though, and I'd have no problems trying his on other cars.
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - 7057sam - 18-02-2015
Looks great jamma
Can't wait to see what you'll get this to eventually run
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Toms306 - 18-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 04:28 PM)JJ0063 Wrote:(17-02-2015, 01:07 PM)Toms306 Wrote: Generic maps but tried and tested and originally tweaked on a rolling road. Didn't have any problems with my map...it was all the mechanical parts that couldn't cope with the power lol.
That's probably half the problem.. generic maps that spike, overboost and the like and kill engines!
Or its because I mapped it with an already shit DMF and slippy clutch, and longlife oil had worn the camshaft and I ran the engine low on oil which finished that off completely...
I've used blacksmoke maps on many cars now for other people, from 110s through to 150s and they had no problems at all! More MPG and less smoke as well...the maps aren't as shit as you think lol.
It's a generic base map that was originally tweaked on a rolling road, and can be further altered if you want more than a standard S1. More than enough for a stage 1 though imo, Bosch didn't write a new map for each ECU so theres no need to have custom unless you've added parts, its no different to using a map from one HDi on another (although you do have to check ECU numbers with HDi's which is a pain).
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 18-02-2015
Hmmm... Not sure I agree completely.
Lots of different ECUs in the VAG range, with different turbos, different injectors (even in the same cars!) And different emissions control.
That is the beauty of diesels though, throw some fuel in, air in and it'll make power. These "generic" maps you see do make power, but they are not very elegant, tend to be quite aggressive and don't give the same power as a proper custom map on a particular car.
That said, they are cheap, and for the seller they are money for old rope!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Toms306 - 18-02-2015
Yeah they sell different ones depending on engine and ECU code - http://www.blacksmoke.co.uk/Online-shop(2675319).htm
Of course it won't be as good as a custom map, but everythings a compromise and for the price I really couldn't fault them.
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Orta - 18-02-2015
I had a monster Fabia vrs. Was a beautiful car. My 0-60 is on YouTube if you search for it!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Eeyore - 19-02-2015
So when you say one of our clutches? I didnt realise you were manufacturing clutches now?
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - E_KEL95 - 19-02-2015
(17-02-2015, 04:29 PM)Toms306 Wrote: The maps JP does for the HDi's are excellent though, and I'd have no problems trying his on other cars.
I'm running one of JP's maps on a passat totally transformed the car I didn't fancy trying a generic map from black smoke even though they seem to be well recommended on ukpassats.
Reason for going JP is he's happy to tweak a map every little bit to get the most out of it and to make the customer happy, I should know as Mcglynn off here JP and me sat to near 12 one night trying to sort out the map on my passat.
Highly recommend him and I think there's a few folk over here now running his maps?
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Tom - 19-02-2015
The blacksmoke maps definately have there place, for 40quid they're fooking excellent. Cheap easy power as said. I just wanted to know if better could be had, and well it can, but you do have to pay for it.
Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 22-02-2015
Did some intercooling on this, and fettled the mapping. Goes really well now. [attachment=21781]
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - procta - 22-02-2015
looking good, I will be watching! you will raise hell once tuned!
Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 23-02-2015
A few more little treats for her today...
Seat sport front brace
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Whiteline rear adjustable arb.
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The handling difference is night and day... Its no 306 though!
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Chris_90 - 23-02-2015
What's the power/toque difference now with the fmic on?
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - smithbomb - 09-03-2015
nice this mate but like the others not 100% on the colour but love what your doing to it plus its going to be a monster with the bigger turbo as oppose to the "baby turbo" lol
RE: Project Fabia vRS TDi - Matt-Rallye - 09-03-2015
Its still a skoda.
Project Fabia vRS TDi - jammapic - 22-03-2015
Cleaned the little fella up this afternoon. Have done ALL the bushes, links, CVs etc and it drives lovely now.
Still yet to knock the CAT out, and fit the new turbo, its just being used as a daily for the wife ATM.
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