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Jacking - c.gerrard - 05-11-2013
Ladies, gentleman and whatever the f*ck Samass is, thinking caps required.
What I am wondering about is a SAFE, relatively quick, hassle free method of jacking these 306's up and getting axle stands on the sills.
This has come about mainly for the track car that Jonny and I are building, just to make life easier. We've both had experiences now of the car sliding off. My fell the other night and so I now have a lovely dent in my passenger door, but that's not the point of this thread.
The car just wants to be supported in a way so that the subframe can come off.
One issue is that because the cars are lowered, it makes entry form the front difficult, i.e. crushes the bumper.
I think Jonny said he tried a way in which he drove the car onto ramps and then tried to jack it up, but the trolley jack was hard against the engine.
The only method that we can think of is either two bottle jacks or two trolley jacks onto the subframe and then lift it up that way. Although, this would work, it is rather time consuming and if we can get away with using just one trolley jack, it would make life so much easier.
Jonny had a thought on making a frame, but I can not quite remember exactly how it would work or be made, so I'll let him explain at some point.
So, just wondering if anyone has any thoughts/ideas on how to solve this issue?
RE: Jacking - ConorTRG - 05-11-2013
Jack it up on each side on the sill jacking points and put the axle stands under the chassis leg/rails.
RE: Jacking - darrenjlobb - 05-11-2013
I just jack it off the hang points in the wheels archs and bang stands under it...takes all of about 2 minutes?
I know people say there "not strong enough" blah blah, but ive never had any issues, and besides, your not going under the car at any point when its supported off said parts, so just get it up, and get the stands in and job done...if you cant get enough height (then your jack is poo, lol) but if you cant, just go as much as you can support on sills, let jacks down, and then put blocks under the jacks and re jack for more height...
RE: Jacking - puglove - 05-11-2013
Raise all your cars to sensible hight then you will be able to go in front the front
RE: Jacking - Toms306 - 05-11-2013
I've bent sill jacking points and chassis rails....but not bent those loops yet, dunno why people say they're not strong enough!
I use them for stands as well tbh.
RE: Jacking - puglove - 05-11-2013
Job done
RE: Jacking - Dum-Dum - 05-11-2013
Jack car up from sides and put on stands at lowest levels on the subframe.
Move the jack to under the center of the sub frame and jack the car up higher then move the stands to the sills
I know how you feel about cars coming off, I've had it twice since moving here as my car park/ driveway is on a hill. Makes you learn a flat level surface really is important for jacking on.
RE: Jacking - sam - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 06:45 PM)puglove Wrote: Job done
I need one on my drive!
RE: Jacking - bigcheez2k3 - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 06:53 PM)sam Wrote:(05-11-2013, 06:45 PM)puglove Wrote: Job done
I need one on my drive!
Probably scrape as you go over it
RE: Jacking - darrenjlobb - 05-11-2013
Get a thin bit of wood / rubber or something between stand / car, nothing worse than metal on metal for sliding around.
That said, you shouldnt ever be under a car thats totally of the ground if your not on firm level ground....
RE: Jacking - Grant - 05-11-2013
Didn't you two weld re-enforcing tubular steel onto the sills of the track car?
RE: Jacking - c.gerrard - 05-11-2013
That's a fooking brilliant idea Jamie. Love it. I don't think my dad would too pleased if I dug a trench in the drive though!
So, let me get this right, you saying jacking the car up those "tie down eyes" is safe?
Yeah we did Grant, but it still means having to do one side at a time. I was just wondering more if there was a quicker method to getting it up and some stands on the sills.
RE: Jacking - darrenjlobb - 05-11-2013
Im not saying its safe (altho i do and have never had an issue) but given no one is under the vehicle, i cant see the issue of just quickly jacking up using them and then putting stands under...
RE: Jacking - Dum-Dum - 05-11-2013
Dude don't jack on the tie down eyes, come and see how pissed mine are if you don't believe how bendy they are
RE: Jacking - darrenjlobb - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 07:23 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Dude don't jack on the tie down eyes, come and see how pissed mine are if you don't believe how bendy they are
I have no idea how your managing to bend them....ive been jacking cars up for years using them with no drama...unless your jacking with a trolley jack and not letting the jack roll on the floor, in which case yes, you will bend anything you jack with / risk aything falling off the jack as its critical a jack can move as it dosnt move directly up.
RE: Jacking - Niall - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 07:25 PM)darrenjlobb Wrote:(05-11-2013, 07:23 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Dude don't jack on the tie down eyes, come and see how pissed mine are if you don't believe how bendy they are
I have no idea how your managing to bend them
Because dum dum smash?
RE: Jacking - Daniel306 - 05-11-2013
If its for track use why not make sill stands?
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RE: Jacking - Grant - 05-11-2013
Air jacks then
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RE: Jacking - Dum-Dum - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 07:30 PM)Niall Wrote:(05-11-2013, 07:25 PM)darrenjlobb Wrote:(05-11-2013, 07:23 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Dude don't jack on the tie down eyes, come and see how pissed mine are if you don't believe how bendy they are
I have no idea how your managing to bend them
Because dum dum smash?
Because if somethings breakable I'll manage to break it LOL.
Nah, because lowered car, shit roads and if in doubt flat out!
(05-11-2013, 07:31 PM)Daniel306 Wrote: If its for track use why not make sill stands?
These things are the coolest, they'd make a Nissan Sunny look porno.
RE: Jacking - Jonny81191 - 05-11-2013
The problem lies in lifting one side at a time. That's the dangerous bit. I'm going to be getting a long reach trolley jack and going under the front to the middle of the subframe, then I can drive onto low ramps and do it like that.
RE: Jacking - Toms306 - 05-11-2013
Shoulda bought a Rover 200/ZR...they have a single jacking point at the front and rear.... Everyone fought over the one at college to save effort.
RE: Jacking - C2K - 05-11-2013
wtf. How is this difficult..
Just use two trolley jacks, i've never ever managed to f*ck it up or drop a car.
RE: Jacking - darrenjlobb - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 08:19 PM)C2K Wrote: wtf. How is this difficult..
Just use two trolley jacks, i've never ever managed to f*ck it up or drop a car.
Ditto!
RE: Jacking - Ruan - 05-11-2013
Anyone who says that they've bent the dip eyes is either totally hamfisted or incapable.
I've been jacking mine up on them for years, if anything, they're safer if you have a jack with a cup in, the eye sits IN the cup and can't come out.
They're what are used to sling the chassis upside down for its zinc phosphor dip at the factory - they're just not chopped off. If they snap off you've got serious chassis rot around them and if you bend them then you've evidently put a SERIOUS amount of sideways pressure on them - if you're managing to put enough SIDEWAYS pressure on them to bend them then you're doing something SERIOUSLY wrong when jacking up a car - i.e. you're jacking one side up 3 ft...
RE: Jacking - ConorTRG - 05-11-2013
The tie down hooks seem strong enough I hit mine of the road often enough and they dont bend, there a bit awkward to get in and use as a jack point on a low car tho imo.
RE: Jacking - Jonny81191 - 05-11-2013
(05-11-2013, 08:19 PM)C2K Wrote: wtf. How is this difficult..
Just use two trolley jacks, i've never ever managed to f*ck it up or drop a car.
Nice and easy if you have the funds.
And I totally agree, it's not difficult, but for example Carl's situation is that unless he goes and spends £££ on a trolley jack, any cheap one won't work on his drive as the tarmac is very soft and gravelly and the little wheels don't roll. They snap off instead.
RE: Jacking - Grant - 05-11-2013
The wheels snap off the jack?!
RE: Jacking - Jonny81191 - 05-11-2013
the cheap ones, yeah. the rear wheels just fold over and break.
RE: Jacking - Toms306 - 05-11-2013
Are you buying those tiny shitty cheap jacks??
I have the sealey one that several people on here have, regularly use it on my sloping gravel drive and haven't had any probs with it yet....
RE: Jacking - Grant - 05-11-2013
Thats exactly why then, buy cheap, buy twice. Next you'll be telling me it came from ALDI after advice from a member on here