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Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
Right am I on the right lines that the 1.9 dt xantia lumps are part ecu'd?
Would a 306 bocsh pump fit straight on and get rid of the ecu side?
RE: Xantia dt engines? - strictly_perv - 25-01-2013
Yep it's just the pump thats got ECU control I believe.
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
Ideal I no what im getting on pay day
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
you can rip off the semi ecu controlled pump and bolt on a normal bosch pump no problem
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
Good to no that
isnt the internals abit different?
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ginge191 - 25-01-2013
When i spoke to the scrapyard, he was saying that the semi-ECU part regulates a lot of the pump and anvancing system, and 'ripping it out' or removing it can ruin it all..
RE: Xantia dt engines? - Ricky - 25-01-2013
I have a 406 engine, the same as xantIa. if you do get one swap the flywheel for a 306 one, pretty sure the dhx hasn't got timing marks for the standard rev sensor..
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
some people say their stronger engines but personally i think thats bull. all blocks were the same, maybe some variance over the years of xud production which would lead to some engines been marginally better quality but at the end of the day an xud is an xud.
not like petrol peugeot lumps where they regularly changed alloys and other materials throughout production which resulted in some engines been far superior.
the main difference i would expect to find is a slightly different gearbox, it would likely be longer ratios as the xantia is a big car.
what are you planning anyway?
RE: Xantia dt engines? - Ricky - 25-01-2013
Think they have better heads and ceramic coated pistons, like the DHY. But that's only what I've read on here somewhere.
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 07:34 PM)Ricky Wrote: Think they have better heads and ceramic coated pistons, like the DHY. But that's only what I've read on here somewhere.
the only way to find out would be to take a xantia engine apart to see if theres any difference but tbh i cant see it been likely.
if you think about it, the xantia ran from 1992 to 2001, pretty much the same production run as the 306 and i just dont see citroen going to any effort to develop the xud engine further as that would mean massively increased costs per unit. not what you would be doing if you had joined up with peugeot to share components with the sole purpose of reducing production costs
RE: Xantia dt engines? - Ricky - 25-01-2013
I know they added a little slit by the valves to stop them cracking.
RE: Xantia dt engines? - strictly_perv - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 07:43 PM)ozonehostile Wrote:(25-01-2013, 07:34 PM)Ricky Wrote: Think they have better heads and ceramic coated pistons, like the DHY. But that's only what I've read on here somewhere.
the only way to find out would be to take a xantia engine apart to see if theres any difference but tbh i cant see it been likely.
if you think about it, the xantia ran from 1992 to 2001, pretty much the same production run as the 306 and i just dont see citroen going to any effort to develop the xud engine further as that would mean massively increased costs per unit. not what you would be doing if you had joined up with peugeot to share components with the sole purpose of reducing production costs
Very fair point. If they had problems with melting heads ect then I might believe it but other than that why would they do it especially during the last few years of production when there's a new car lined up with new engines.
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
Want to start building another engine after the 2nd feb see what I can do with it power wise
RE: Xantia dt engines? - Piggy - 25-01-2013
xantia heads had a run of porous ones...look out for them!!
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 08:24 PM)sam Wrote: Want to start building another engine after the 2nd feb see what I can do with it power wise
why not just improve your current engine? unless your current one is on its way out/very high milage?
RE: Xantia dt engines? - Pugmarshall - 25-01-2013
Peugeot and Citroen are essentially the same manufacture btw Zakk. (PSA)
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 08:31 PM)ozonehostile Wrote:(25-01-2013, 08:24 PM)sam Wrote: Want to start building another engine after the 2nd feb see what I can do with it power wise
why not just improve your current engine? unless your current one is on its way out/very high milage?
Nope my current lump.is on 60k
want to keep driving while building one as having my car off the road is the worst feeling and I get wound up lmao
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 08:43 PM)sam Wrote:(25-01-2013, 08:31 PM)ozonehostile Wrote:(25-01-2013, 08:24 PM)sam Wrote: Want to start building another engine after the 2nd feb see what I can do with it power wise
why not just improve your current engine? unless your current one is on its way out/very high milage?
Nope my current lump.is on 60k
if your current engine is low milage id take that out and build that up and drop in a temporary one while you do so if thats the route you want to go down
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
Have thought of that didnt like the idea of just swappi g the lump over twise and the xantia lump is on 33k
RE: Xantia dt engines? - ozonehostile - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 09:09 PM)sam Wrote: Have thought of that didnt like the idea of just swappi g the lump over twise and the xantia lump is on 33k
where are you finding these ultra low milage xud's from? is there a secret stash of them in wiltshire or something haha
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 25-01-2013
(25-01-2013, 09:29 PM)ozonehostile Wrote:(25-01-2013, 09:09 PM)sam Wrote: Have thought of that didnt like the idea of just swappi g the lump over twise and the xantia lump is on 33k
where are you finding these ultra low milage xud's from? is there a secret stash of them in wiltshire or something haha
Haha nope just looked and saw it sat there
RE: Xantia dt engines? - David - 26-01-2013
oooo i want a low one aswell haha
RE: Xantia dt engines? - sam - 26-01-2013
Haha you can give me a hand taking it out if you want
