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RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 15-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 05:25 PM)Midnightclub Wrote: I guess the only question that really matters.. is it worth it in the end though?
Hell yes
So much more fun than a 1.9 and TBH you can take off the cost of all the consumables and the FMIC and the clutch as it needed all those and you can take off the cost of the HDi box and FMIC cos id of done that to a HDi anyway and you can take off the labour cos thats what the HG would of cost anyway so really the only cost of the engine swap over what it needed/was getting anyway was the engine itself.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - cwspellowe - 15-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 05:27 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: Ps that's my point.
They are different engines so will react differently to the same tuning.
It will allow people to see how the differ in the real time rather than everyone making claims based on their own opinions. If you did it correctly with dyno's and side by side road tests you could see for sure which one responses better to what.
My old t2 and part modded Bosch could easily keep up with fooby's 6 two years at Coventry, even with a massive weight disadvantage and only running 25psi.
Fooby wasn't driving properly then, or his GTI was broken, if you could keep up easily. T2's on Bosches are nothing more than mild. And at 25psi and with a weight disadvantage as you say... Don't try and make out the DT was something it certainly wasn't.
And when it comes to TD tuning, with two different engines its like comparing apples and oranges. Two of the same engine, with maybe different turbos, will be a good reflection on what works and what doesn't, but even that is subjective. One might be a torque monster and the other a screaming bhp machine.
When you compare the 1.9 to the 2.1 you can't really get a good comparison going. In standard form aye, but when you tune both of them you're working to different goals. By the time they're both tuned they'll be completely different animals. You could gov the 1.9 up to 6krpm but the 2.1 wouldn't like it, so why bother?
You can't tune them the same way, so you can't really make a direct comparison. Fuel pumps would be set to deliver differently, turbos would be different...
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 05:27 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: Ps that's my point.
They are different engines so will react differently to the same tuning.
It will allow people to see how the differ in the real time rather than everyone making claims based on their own opinions. If you did it correctly with dyno's and side by side road tests you could see for sure which one responses better to what.
My old t2 and part modded Bosch could easily keep up with fooby's 6 two years at Coventry, even with a massive weight disadvantage and only running 25psi.
why would you have a weight disadvantage? . . . XUD9TE is lighter than XU10J4RS don't cha know? . .
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - ozonehostile - 15-12-2012
I dont think "project cheap" applies anymore
but still, not to bad considering the end result
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Pompey306mark - 15-12-2012
Me and dturbo90 in the car compared to fooby and the other skinny guy he was with lol.
And fooby was trying, t2 were and still are good turbo's. For the 1.9 engines, it's just now we know t25, tdo4's and gt turbos are better.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Mattcheese31 - 15-12-2012
we know now that you can make about 150bhp on a k14 or T2 with some pump and exhaust mods and plenty more torques than a 6 . .
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Pompey306mark - 15-12-2012
We knew that two years ago, if not longer.
I never got around to dyno'ing my car at full power but went on its last legs and a tester who bogged it down loads it still maybe a healthy 135 and the run was free.
A month later the engine was in pieces, planned not blown up, we had movement in the positions and a not to happy t2.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Ed Doe - 16-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 06:05 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: Me and dturbo90 in the car compared to fooby and the other skinny guy he was with lol.
And fooby was trying, t2 were and still are good turbo's. For the 1.9 engines, it's just now we know t25, tdo4's and gt turbos are better.
yeah, but ultiately this was Fooby.... He can't drive....
Every time you tried it on with Jimmy, he just ahniallated you...
And I was on my best behaviour because Mazz was in the car.... lol
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Pompey306mark - 16-12-2012
I was not talking about on the way home.
This was on one of the few times I took people out in the car around Coventry.
On the way home I was not racing anyone, we were speeding off, then slowing down then, someone else would speed off and someone else would go catch up, then we would all slow down to let fooby catch and you catch up.
Plus jimmy was in a rallye, which we all know is the better version of the 6.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 10:34 AM)Pompey306mark Wrote: Plus jimmy was in a rallye, which we all know is the better version of the 6.And 30-40bhp better off than foobys or eds cars
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Niall - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 12:45 AM)Ed Doe Wrote:(15-12-2012, 06:05 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: Me and dturbo90 in the car compared to fooby and the other skinny guy he was with lol.
And fooby was trying, t2 were and still are good turbo's. For the 1.9 engines, it's just now we know t25, tdo4's and gt turbos are better.
yeah, but ultiately this was Fooby.... He can't drive....
Every time you tried it on with Jimmy, he just ahniallated you...
And I was on my best behaviour because Mazz was in the car.... lol
Eds right, these gtis are pretty crap in the sense that if you plant your foot at a low rpm, you can basically say good bye to good acceleration. you really have to know how to use these 6 boxes well!
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Kwik - 16-12-2012
have you never heard of turbo lag? you stomp your foot down and it bogs down with a cloud of smoke..........
Regardless of type of engine diesel, petrol, turbo, normally aspirated if you don't use the gears to get the engine load right it will be crap acceleration heck that's why we have these things called a gearbox
The thing is you keep spouting about which cars better but each has their own strength and weaknesses.
Just enjoy driving your car that is yours and be happy lol
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - strictly_perv - 16-12-2012
Well I can tell you that the 2.1 is pretty slow
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 16-12-2012
LOL Max you love it. You bent your throttle arm yet?
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - strictly_perv - 16-12-2012
Needs a better blower
No been working all day. I think the revs start hanging if the fuel pin goes in anymore anyway :|
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 09:13 PM)strictly_derv Wrote: Needs a better blower
No been working all day. I think the revs start hanging if the fuel pin goes in anymore anyway :|
Needs chronic extra fuel first really.
If you bend the throttle arm for more neg travel youll be able to wind the fuel pin in more without the revs hanging.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Niall - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 07:41 PM)Kwik Wrote: have you never heard of turbo lag? you stomp your foot down and it bogs down with a cloud of smoke..........
Regardless of type of engine diesel, petrol, turbo, normally aspirated if you don't use the gears to get the engine load right it will be crap acceleration heck that's why we have these things called a gearbox
The thing is you keep spouting about which cars better but each has their own strength and weaknesses.
Just enjoy driving your car that is yours and be happy lol
completely agree. you can get big power out of some of these diesels but none sound as good as some petrols!
So Chris, have you....
A) Reversed this into a post
B) Scrapped it
C) Scrapped it
D) Destroyed the back end (giggidy)
Yet?
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 09:45 PM)Niall Wrote: So Chris, have you....
A) Reversed this into a post
B) Scrapped it
C) Scrapped it
D) Destroyed the back end (giggidy)
Yet?
No, No, No and Not the car.
It will even be making an appearance at ace cafe tomorrow.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Niall - 16-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 10:03 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote:(16-12-2012, 09:45 PM)Niall Wrote: So Chris, have you....
A) Reversed this into a post
B) Scrapped it
C) Scrapped it
D) Destroyed the back end (giggidy)
Yet?
No, No, No and Not the car.
It will even be making an appearance at ace cafe tomorrow.
Really? on the back of a AA truck?
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - lewisdmz - 16-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 05:12 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: So erm, I think i has clutch slip, just a tiny bit in 4th gear B)
Also Trent / Silver ZX asked how much it cost.
Im not gonna lie, it hurts to add up but
£300 engine
£50 HDi box
£100 new Clutch
£150 Other new parts and consumables
£200 FMIC and silicones
£300 2 days of Kris labour
Ouch
If i had got the engine as cheap as some people here (sub £100) and a crane I could of done it myself for about half the money but such is life.
Dude you have too much disposable income, you could have had something properly decent for all the money that has been stuffed into these numerous vehicles.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - cwspellowe - 16-12-2012
(15-12-2012, 06:22 PM)Pompey306mark Wrote: We knew that two years ago, if not longer.
I never got around to dyno'ing my car at full power but went on its last legs and a tester who bogged it down loads it still maybe a healthy 135 and the run was free.
A month later the engine was in pieces, planned not blown up, we had movement in the positions and a not to happy t2.
Yeah but T2's are piss
I 100% guarantee my GTI6 was faster in every scenario than my T2'd XUD. Neither were earth shattering but the GTI was much easier to drive spiritedly.
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Just Sean - 17-12-2012
(16-12-2012, 10:27 PM)Niall Wrote:(16-12-2012, 10:03 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote:(16-12-2012, 09:45 PM)Niall Wrote: So Chris, have you....
A) Reversed this into a post
B) Scrapped it
C) Scrapped it
D) Destroyed the back end (giggidy)
Yet?
No, No, No and Not the car.
It will even be making an appearance at ace cafe tomorrow.
Really? on the back of a AA truck?
That will be me niall!!
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 19-12-2012
Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - ozonehostile - 19-12-2012
(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
good man
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Ruan - 19-12-2012
(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - strictly_perv - 19-12-2012
(19-12-2012, 08:11 PM)Ruan Wrote:(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
I did wonder this when I did a turbo/penis size comparison. Mines still bigger
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - ginge191 - 19-12-2012
(19-12-2012, 08:11 PM)Ruan Wrote:(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
...i also found nothing online relating to this turbo
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - n0v0s - 19-12-2012
Gt2359v if its from a 3.2 cdi merc. Old tech vnt. Strictly, is yours a gt2559v?
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Piggy - 19-12-2012
good price though... surprised not doing a td04
RE: The 2.1TD Bianca Sedan - Dum-Dums Project Cheap - Dum-Dum - 19-12-2012
(19-12-2012, 07:52 PM)ozonehostile Wrote:Cheers mate(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
good man
(19-12-2012, 08:11 PM)Ruan Wrote:Sorry GTA2359VK(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
(19-12-2012, 08:47 PM)strictly_derv Wrote:(19-12-2012, 08:11 PM)Ruan Wrote:(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
I did wonder this when I did a turbo/penis size comparison. Mines still bigger
I thought yours was a 22 core?
My turbo is defo bigger than my penis and thus must be awesome. I reckon I could feed my penis into the compressor wheel on boost and get mini salami slices out the other side.
(19-12-2012, 09:16 PM)ginge191 Wrote:Yeah sorry swap the B for an A(19-12-2012, 08:11 PM)Ruan Wrote:(19-12-2012, 11:51 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Well as everyone thinks this needs VNT power I have procured a GTB2359VK for 70 quid
No such thing as a GTB2359
...i also found nothing online relating to this turbo
(19-12-2012, 09:22 PM)n0v0s Wrote: Gt2359v if its from a 3.2 cdi merc. Old tech vnt. Strictly, is yours a gt2559v?Yep thats it.
(19-12-2012, 09:26 PM)Piggy1987 Wrote: good price though... surprised not doing a td04Every fucker does the TD04 route these days like everyone did the GT25 route last year and T2 the year before that. Gotta move things forward and not follow the pack. Having seen Max's the other night and knowing that this is similar size I know its what I want. VNT control is gonna be interesting and Im gonna box mount the fucker.