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RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Ruan - 12-05-2014
(23-04-2014, 11:25 PM)pioneer DJ paddy Wrote: The semi ecu pump just wont work well. You have no dynamic advance as that is controlled by the ecu.
Whats dynamic advance lol .bt the pump at the min is reveing out the best why wound it nt be the same wen driveing . Is there no way of doing away with the brown plug any way :-)
Normal pumps change the injection timing as revs increase - the semi-ECU pump has a solenoid underneath that has to be controlled by the ECU, if it's not plugged in it just goes to full advance and is stuck there, it won't do anything. It'll work sure, but you'll get poor economy, poor power and probably won't do the precups in the head any good running it with that much timing 24/7...
Sure it'll start, run, drive, rev etc... But it won't perform how it should, if you've set it so it doesn't clank, then you won't get any more injection advance at high engine speeds, it'll probably smoke like a bastard, have high EGTs and poor performance.
I'd change it...
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 12-05-2014
Is there no way of by-passing that solenoid lol really dont want to have change the pump again like if i rann power to it wat would that do :-)
Re: RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Seb_Ryan - 12-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 01:03 PM)pioneer DJ paddy Wrote: Is there no way of by-passing that solenoid lol really dont want to have change the pump again like if i rann power to it wat would that do :-)
Nothing as there's no ecu to tell it how much to move etc lol..
Pump change time unfortunately
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - willJspears - 13-05-2014
looking good, in need of some lows
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - anto - 13-05-2014
(12-05-2014, 01:03 PM)pioneer DJ paddy Wrote: Is there no way of by-passing that solenoid lol really dont want to have change the pump again like if i rann power to it wat would that do :-)
Unless you hook up the ecu and get it working then you are flogging a dead horse in my opinion. (The opinion of someone who has tried it and eventually swapped it for a normal pump).
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 13-05-2014
Normal pumps change the injection timing as revs increase - the semi-ECU pump has a solenoid underneath that has to be controlled by the ECU, if it's not plugged in it just goes to full advance and is stuck there, it won't do anything. It'll work sure, but you'll get poor economy, poor power and probably won't do the precups in the head any good running it with that much timing 24/7...
Sure it'll start, run, drive, rev etc... But it won't perform how it should, if you've set it so it doesn't clank, then you won't get any more injection advance at high engine speeds, it'll probably smoke like a bastard, have high EGTs and poor performance.
I'd change it...
Ye think i will change it just dont have the time at the min lol bt i raced a mazda car last night 140bhp and i left it sitting and i can still screwe it a nother good bit like so so might leve it for a wee while till i get the time :-) thanks for the info every one
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Piggy - 13-05-2014
Please just use the reply button!!!
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 13-05-2014
looking good, in need of some lows
Lol ye if i get a set there goin stright in she like an off road yoke at the min lol :-)
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 17-05-2014
Hi every on again so car is runnig fine video cuming soon of her driving bt need a bit of help lol the exusted manifold pipe i made up needs a gasget on the turbo end and the manifold end i tryed strong gasget paper bt it was to mutch pressure for it then tryed a thin steal gaskget but it still leaked passed it so my next plan is roof led flashing has any one ever used this before and wuld it work :-) any help wold be great lol plz and thanks :-) and here is a pic of the stuff i was thinking of useing
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RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Jimbo - 17-05-2014
Gasket paper for an exhaust?? Wow
Anyway i used some thick exhaust gasket stuff it.was metal and like 3 layers thick
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Danny Wideboy - 18-05-2014
Lead flashing wont work either, it will just melt after 5 minutes and drip out.
Have you tried using any exhaust paste and letting it cure with the engine idling for a while.
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - mr_fish - 19-05-2014
Exhaust paste is all I've used before...still sealing after couple thousand miles.
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - zx_volcane - 19-05-2014
hylomar do an exhaust repair putty which seals damn well
or holts firegum
have used both with great success
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Tom - 19-05-2014
Another for firegum, dont know why people spend money on gaskets when this stuff works great.
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - nominous - 20-05-2014
It works so good I use it to fix holes, never mind gasket replacement.
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - silverzx - 20-05-2014
Firegum instead of the sump gasket you say..
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Ruan - 20-05-2014
(13-05-2014, 02:01 PM)pioneer DJ paddy Wrote: Ye think i will change it just dont have the time at the min lol bt i raced a mazda car last night 140bhp and i left it sitting and i can still screwe it a nother good bit like so so might leve it for a wee while till i get the time :-) thanks for the info every one
My response is...
Hooray, you've made one car quicker than another with a poorly performing, possibly damaging injection pump...
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 19-06-2014
Hi all again paddy here from irland need help lol i have a 2.5td pug engine at my work and was lookin to no if the injectors out of it fit my 1.9td xud 306 the engine is out of a LDV van around the year 97 here is sum pics lol
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RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - silverzx - 19-06-2014
Bodge it in your 306 Paddy!
Can safely say its 100% never been done!
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - mr_fish - 19-06-2014
Thats based on the old XD engine (i think), old technology. Lucas injectors anyways. Just refurb your bosch ones with new nozzles and stick an 11mm on the pump
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Ruan - 19-06-2014
That's an XD3.
Came also in Ford Sierras - have a fooking terrible reputation those engines!
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 19-06-2014
That's an XD3.
Came also in Ford Sierras - have a fooking terrible reputation those engines!
The injectors do fit in a 1.9td xud i have at work same pipes to i tryed it a while a go lol bt wounder if it will make it any quicker than it all ready is :-)
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 19-06-2014
Here are the injectors the one with tape on it is the old ones lol [attachment=16971][attachment=16970][attachment=16969][attachment=16968][attachment=16967][attachment=16966]
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Poodle - 19-06-2014
Whats the break pressure on those?
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Ruan - 19-06-2014
Low, they're lucas and old ones at that...
They've also got very old precups, they won't make more power on an XUD... There's many other options than some gronky injectors out of a lucas powered xd3...
Break pressure is of relatively little importance on Indirects, your atomisation isn't improved really by the injector, more the swirl chamber... Totally different to Direct injection where pressure is key to atomisation and clean burning ... A new set of oem bosch nozzles are fine, usually the nozzles are simply worn and the start and end of injection isn't clean, that's when they really dribble and cause running issues...
Besides, injectors are simply not a restriction..
I will point out at this time that the OM606 which will easily do 400-500hp uses 135bar injectors... They are sometimes upgraded to 150bar for high performance applications...
my 306 at a show - pioneer DJ paddy - 22-06-2014
My car at a car show down the rd from me[attachment=17081][attachment=17080][attachment=17079][attachment=17078][attachment=17077][attachment=17076]
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - Tom - 23-06-2014
You got a funny colour door bey!
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 23-06-2014
Lol ye she was hit just before that show :-( so clouler nt a 100% lol goin for a full repriay nw soon :-)
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - anto - 25-06-2014
Is that Kilbroney Vintage Show?
RE: 306 dturbo with 2.0 hdi conrods - pioneer DJ paddy - 25-06-2014
Is that Kilbroney Vintage Show
Yep were u at it your self lol were ya from lol