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RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 04-12-2014 (03-12-2012, 10:14 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I know alot of people here are dead interested in this and hopefully itll be useful for a few people. If this is useful for you will you please consider donating to the club as we run purely on donations not advertising revenue unlike other forums. Brilliant work Dum Dum. Tell me something: I havê a Toyota Corolla E11 from 2001 which came with DW8 from factory. I ve been thinking in swap it for the xud9te. Hould it be possível to swap it for he Xud11? I use Lucas pump and the Car has immobilizer. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Piggy - 04-12-2014 thats an interesting thought. I would wana see pictures of the engine mounts and what gearbox it uses first. Immobilizer is easy to get round....12v ignition wire, job done. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 07-12-2014 Yeah I'd want to see the engine bay before I said it would fit but essentially swap the 2.1 to a bosch and then you can do away with the immobiliser. It only needs a 12v live to the stop solenoid on the fuel pump RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 07-12-2014 (04-12-2014, 11:33 AM)Piggy Wrote: thats an interesting thought.You can see gearbox is BL5 type but commands are hydraulics and clutch is also hydraulics with 215mm plate with 18 teeth (looked like the one 306 1.9 TD has in series). Also put images of engine mounts. Engine has one left and the others (front,rear and right) are all connected to gearbox. Fixation of gearbox to engine is made by only 3 screws on top and 1 screw side of rear mount and thats it. There is a picture where I hope you can see injection pump but if you don't please tell me so I can take pictures of her solo. It's a Lucas pump with 2 connectors plus one for number 1 injector (Lucas RB844... type). Important note: above the top of the DW8 engine, I get 38 mm till it touch the hood and gearbox stays away 22mm from left stringer of the car. So, what you think can be done? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 08-12-2014 38mm isnt alot of clearance above the engine as the 2.1 inlet is big and runs over the engine. It might fit but only just Width is the same and I reckon you could bolt your standard mountings to the XUD11 block RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 09-12-2014 (08-12-2014, 02:27 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: 38mm isnt alot of clearance above the engine as the 2.1 inlet is big and runs over the engine. It might fit but only just While mesuring my engine from the base of the right mount to the highest point which is the inlet manifold I get 255 mm. Can you check if yours is much higher? Also, my car has ECU, do you think it will be a problem? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 09-12-2014 I can't check engine height as i sold mine Don't worry about the ECU, run it on a bosch fuel pump and you'll be fine. I put mine in a car that ran modern ECU high pressure direct injection and it was fine with that removed, just needed different clocks and a couple of alterations to the loom. Edit: obviously I've never worked on a toyota so can't promise this. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Piggy - 09-12-2014 I can do some measurements for you but bear in mind that the engine may sit differently and be mounted at a different point on the engine to yours RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 09-12-2014 (09-12-2014, 10:32 PM)Piggy Wrote: I can do some measurements for you but bear in mind that the engine may sit differently and be mounted at a different point on the engine to yours Yeah well about that I keep asking myself about something: there is a picture on the thread I took where it shows the holes of right side of the bloc. Is there this very same holes (in same position) in the XUD9TE and XUD11? (09-12-2014, 10:28 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I can't check engine height as i sold mine Course but something keeps bodering me: my car uses a mass air flow meter while the XUD9TE and XUD11 (as far as I know) have only air temperature sensor. How will I manage this? I just put the same mass air flow meter on the admission of the XUD11 and hope the ECU makes no diference or just remove it and exchange it for a simple temperature sensor? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Piggy - 10-12-2014 Sack off all the electronics and just use a 12v wire on the fuel solenoid. Wire up starter and alternator and youre done RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 08:15 AM)Piggy Wrote: Sack off all the electronics and just use a 12v wire on the fuel solenoid. Wire up starter and alternator and youre done Do you think Hill be able to use my alter ator and starter? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Piggy - 10-12-2014 Just use the one on the 2.1! RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 07:58 PM)Piggy Wrote: Just use the one on the 2.1! The engine I saw camess with no alter ator and no starter. Sorry for the question but how do I make that 12v wire you guys mention? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - bashbarnard - 10-12-2014 If you cant figure that out id be worries your fitting an engine. But for arguments sake you need to find an ignition live and put it to the stop solinoid on the bosch pump. thats all. Easy RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 08:13 PM)bashbarnard Wrote: If you cant figure that out id be worries your fitting an engine. Thats nota exacly a crime. From two years no I learn has I go and Ive been doing my cars revisions and complicated exchanges with success. Not everyone borns knowing this. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - bashbarnard - 10-12-2014 Wasnt insulting you man. I started at the bottom. We all did. This is why the forum is here. We can help with things like this. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Piggy - 10-12-2014 I have got the same kind of impression to be honest. You will need a complete engine imo. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 10-12-2014 Its unlikely you'll be able to fit your alternator. Which starter you use depends on which gearbox your using. I'll go and do you a wiring diagram for the wiring as I want to see your project work. To find an ignition live get a multi meter, turn the knob into the volts area usually has a V sign on it and a set of choices like 0.02, 0.2, 2, 20, 200, 2000 pick the one that says 20. Make sure the battery is connected, turn the ignition on and jam the black multimeter lead into the negative battery terminal. Prod round various plugs and wires with the red probe to find some live wires (the screen will read just over 12v) then turn the ignition off and probe the wires again. any That were live and no longer are will be ignition lives, pick a nice thick one. Right this is uber basic but the pointers are in the right place. Main battery wire - Make it a monster thick bastard straight from the battery to the big terminal on the starter and then to the big terminal on the alternator. Starter wire - this is the wire that spins the starter motor when you turn the key to the final position and is a momentary switch. Run it to the small ring terminal on the starter motor. Stop solenoid wire - this doesn't need to be thick but it does need to give a GOOD solid 12 volts. You turn it on to start the car, keep it on to keep the car running and then turn it off to stop the engine. You run it to the terminal that has an 8mm nut thats on the stop solenoid. Glow plug wire - You will NEED glow plugs running to start the 2.1TD. You can run it off a relay and a switch but they draw a HUGE current, they will melt any wire you'd normally use to wire stuff in. Use thick cable, genuinely the best system I've seen if Poodles 205 that runs battery cable and a FIA battery cut off style switch. Everything earths through the engine back to the battery. [attachment=20592] RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 08:38 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Its unlikely you'll be able to fit your alternator. Which starter you use depends on which gearbox your using. Thanks all of you guys for your feedback. Sorry for my reaction but here in Portugal Diys are bad treatted só most of US are pretty nervous when some say we may not be able to do some. Anyway still havê a lot of mechanics visita when they dont know what to do more in a Car... Gess Im nota só dum hás I might think. Só, for what I can tell I should buy engine whith all things right? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - bashbarnard - 10-12-2014 Pretty much what dum sum has said although I'm sure the alternator needs a 12v exciter wire. So one more wire to alternator could be wrong though RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 10-12-2014 What gearbox are you using? Is it the standard Toyota gearbox? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 09:33 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: What gearbox are you using? Dum Dum thanks again sow much for your help. Gearbox is a BL5 type so I have shure it's a PSA gearbox type and not Toyota. However I must confess some doubts persist. My gearbox has imcorporated a clutch with 215mm disc size with 18 teeth. This configuration is equal of every Peugeot 306 TD. But every other models which use my engine has a simple 200 mm plate size??!! What I have to do? Shall the flywheel of the 2.1 fit in my gearboz and prime with 215 mm plate or I have to chenge it all? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 10-12-2014 My opinion is use the 215mm flywheel off your standard XUD9 engine as it gives the best chance that your rev counter will work but its not a conversion that I have done so I just dont know. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 10-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 11:08 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: My opinion is use the 215mm flywheel off your standard XUD9 engine as it gives the best chance that your rev counter will work but its not a conversion that I have done so I just dont know. Whell but when you have made your own convertion you did count with a 215 mm plate cause it was the standing in your 306 or not?? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 10-12-2014 I used a 215mm clutch from the XUD9 306 on the XUD9 306 flywheel as I know they are easy to get hold of, easy to get upgrades for and will hold the power. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 11-12-2014 (10-12-2014, 11:38 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I used a 215mm clutch from the XUD9 306 on the XUD9 306 flywheel as I know they are easy to get hold of, easy to get upgrades for and will hold the power. That was one of my wories: that the clutch I have hould hold the torque of the Xud11. So the 306 td flywheel will bolt correctely on the Xud11, right? You mention something on your toturial about having to drill for the speed sensor or have I not understand? If the gearbox bolt correctely on the engine I dont understand why it is needed. One more thing, one big problem you had was the turbo fitting against the steering mechanism but here we use left and driving so Ill not going to have that issue right? (10-12-2014, 08:29 PM)Piggy Wrote: I have got the same kind of impression to be honest. Piggy, its unlikely Ill have much problems with mounts because 3 of them connect to the gearbox and only the top right mount goes to the engine. If you check onde the photos I took to it, you can see it is completely different from yours but I expect it to bolt in the engine in similar holes. Did you use your previous mounts? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 13-12-2014 (11-12-2014, 07:34 PM)machsantos Wrote:(10-12-2014, 11:38 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: I used a 215mm clutch from the XUD9 306 on the XUD9 306 flywheel as I know they are easy to get hold of, easy to get upgrades for and will hold the power. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 25-02-2015 (10-12-2014, 08:38 PM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Its unlikely you'll be able to fit your alternator. Which starter you use depends on which gearbox your using. Thanks a lot Dum Dum, but not shure I undertood the all thing. So please correct me where I'm wrong or where I don't know: Thick wire from ignition live wire -> Positive on Battery; Thick wire from the big terminal on the alternator and big terminal on the starter -> Positive on Battery; Thick wire from glow plugs -> ?; Good cable from stop solenoid -> ?. Also, my DW8 has an ECU. Should I just disconnect it? Mass air flow meter to? RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - Dum-Dum - 27-02-2015 Yeah sack off the DW8 ecu and electric sensory bollocks. Thick wire from alternator to big post on starter then from the big post on the starter to the battery positive. Glow plug wire to a suitable relay and switch arrangement. Stop solenoid to ignition live Small post on the starter to a momentary ignition live Oh and apologies. You shouldn't have the steering issue with being left hand drive. The xud9 flywheel and clutch bolts straight on. I don't know how the tacho on the DW8 works but on the xud9 it is drilled through the webbing at the rear of the block facing the back of the fly wheel. The xud11 does not have a hole for this. RE: How To - 2.1TD Swap / XUD11 Fitting - machsantos - 27-02-2015 (27-02-2015, 07:04 AM)Dum-Dum Wrote: Yeah sack off the DW8 ecu and electric sensory bollocks. Hello mate, DW8 faces the flywheel throu a gearbox hole. Is glow plug wiring needed to start XUD9TE or is it only needed on XUD11? One other thing, I understood how to find the live ignition wire has you explained but how do I find the momentary live wire? Thanks again |