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RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Eeyore - 08-12-2014
Sam what are you doing. You're out spending me!
I didnt realise you had gone in for the group buy on those wheels! Should be great! Brakes look great. Should be awesome!
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 08-12-2014
(08-12-2014, 11:09 PM)SRowell Wrote: Sam what are you doing. You're out spending me!
I didnt realise you had gone in for the group buy on those wheels! Should be great! Brakes look great. Should be awesome!
Yeah well it just sit's in the corner now so I thought I'd fill it with shinies
I'm thinking of getting a few bits flocked,re carpeting front and rear.then relocating the battery to the boot(bit of extra weight of the beam) and then re run the induction kit.
Keep forgetting I also have to get the other cam.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 19-12-2014
Got some mounts the other,don't worry rowell I'll still have yours off you (planning to get a hdi at some point in the new year)
Only did one as it was so bloody cold and was still hanging from the night before
Got to drill the mounts tomorrow if I get the time.
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RE: The Astor....track car in the making - lolsteve - 19-12-2014
Nice progress , can't wait to see this in the new year. Might have to blag a passenger ride
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 19-12-2014
(19-12-2014, 08:25 PM)lolsteve Wrote: Nice progress , can't wait to see this in the new year. Might have to blag a passenger ride
Yeah definitely, I do owe you one.Really itching to get it back on the road but saved a nice lump already which shall be converted into shinies
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 03-01-2015
Update
Tiny bit of a U turn on this project.
After trying out the buckets and realising i've got slightly fatter than last time I had some
,i've decided to sell them on a started to persuade some mint ish Ph3 seats near me. 4 pot are also sold
so I'll be getting some mintex 1155 or ferodo ds25000.Speedline line updated us yesterday and it's looking more like February than January which is actually pretty good as I'll probably just re tax and mot it then(weather permitting)
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - lolsteve - 05-01-2015
Loose a bit of weight and keep the buckets, the most racecar option
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Eeyore - 05-01-2015
youll be back in buckets before you know it...
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 05-01-2015
(05-01-2015, 12:51 PM)lolsteve Wrote: Loose a bit of weight and keep the buckets, the most racecar option
I wish my old,tired body could handle it
Brought some pretty mind Ph3 seat last night on ebay so pick them up Friday and hopefully get back on the road/track February.
All these cheap trackdays atm need to take advantage of at least one.
(05-01-2015, 01:42 PM)SRowell Wrote: youll be back in buckets before you know it...
I know that why I'll still have the mounts
I do have a soft spot for some cobra suzuki..
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Eeyore - 05-01-2015
I may use my mounts. Depends when I can get my hands on a 3 door!
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 05-01-2015
(05-01-2015, 02:31 PM)SRowell Wrote: I may use my mounts. Depends when I can get my hands on a 3 door!
Cool mate.
Give us a txt if you need a lift to pick it up.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Eeyore - 05-01-2015
(05-01-2015, 04:03 PM)7057sam Wrote:(05-01-2015, 02:31 PM)SRowell Wrote: I may use my mounts. Depends when I can get my hands on a 3 door!
Cool mate.
Give us a txt if you need a lift to pick it up.
Dont know if I am yet though! D: On the lookout for something still! Need to get a reliable daily first though!
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 06-01-2015
Took a trip to Norfolk this evening to pick the new interior pretty chuffed.The alcantara is in really good condition,didn't realise how faded mine where.
Also they's no bolters wear on the passenger side one and very very minamal on the driver.
Hopefully Friday pull it all out and attack the inside with the vacuum.
Also sold the sparco's for a little bit of a profit which
was nice through money going to be sucked up by the house unfortunately
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - DemonDriverDan - 06-01-2015
Looking good! I might have missed it in the thread, but what cams are you running?
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 11:11 PM)DemonDriverDan Wrote: Looking good! I might have missed it in the thread, but what cams are you running?
Catcams 3107 pretty shure there give the most lift before I need internal modification.[attachment=20993]
I have a catcams dealer about 10 miles away which quite close in suffolk terms
so should really pull my finger out and get the inlet one ordered.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - adam b - 06-01-2015
I'd be careful tracking the car on ds2500s on standard brakes. Unless it's had some decent weight loss and has ducting they do go off fairly quickly - mine does it in 7 laps of combe and it's 1000kg but no ducts and C5 wheels
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - DemonDriverDan - 06-01-2015
Are you just going to get the pistons pocketed?
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 06-01-2015
(06-01-2015, 11:36 PM)adam b Wrote: I'd be careful tracking the car on ds2500s on standard brakes. Unless it's had some decent weight loss and has ducting they do go off fairly quickly - mine does it in 7 laps of combe and it's 1000kg but no ducts and C5 wheels
Really !!
Always lead to believe they where the best
My other options are mintex M1155, M1144 although the ones on it at the moment have taken a hamering last year and where great so may investigate into what they where.
(06-01-2015, 11:37 PM)DemonDriverDan Wrote: Are you just going to get the pistons pocketed?
I was because someone on gti.com was doing it for £100 but I forgot my login and emailed then admin many times and can't seem to get back online anymore.
I was also going to get some arp bolt but told I didn't need them as I 'think' the limiter was set a 7.5 and only needed them if it went over 8k
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - DemonDriverDan - 06-01-2015
The company is bridgecraft engineering, good guys. I'm going to get some ARP bolts for my new build but it's aiming for reasonable power!
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 07-01-2015
Cool
I should be running somwhere near or alittle over the 200 bhp mark with the cams in,which for this year would be more than enough.Would really like a diff aswell ( last thing in list)
And hopefully do snetterton a few times as it's my local and tended to spend more time and combe last year.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - DemonDriverDan - 07-01-2015
Do the diff before the cams, 100%. It made a huge difference in the race car, easily 2 seconds a lap. I'm probably doing a Snet trackday in Feb / March time if you're interested?
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 07-01-2015
Ok cheers.What diff did you go for? Gripper or lock ? I've heard some you have to use special oil and others you can use normal peugeot stuff.
Yeah I'll check trackdays.Co. uk and see if the dates have gone up yet.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Niall - 07-01-2015
As Dan says, its Bridgecraft Engineering. He's on here under the username AllenAllan. Allan made my charger outlet. Top bloke to work with and the work was top quality and well priced. Recommend them any day!
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - adam b - 07-01-2015
Strangely EBC yellows have a good rep, although I can't bring myself to buy them. Pagid RS29 are the way to go but not cheap. We use them on all our track, fast road GTRs.
1144 are also decent as an all-around, but my last set fell apart after 200 miles of light road use. Apparently it was a known batch issue but lost my confidence in them.
I'm going RS29 when I start properly competing
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 08-01-2015
Yeah I've heard the ds's are bigger than the other pads so has larger surface area/goes to the lip of the disc.
Which could be a plus point.Very mixed reviews on them,alot of people saying that they take awhile to bed in and for fronts and back are £200 ish
The yellow stuff would be 100-110 front and back and are getting fairly good reviews,think I might give them a shot.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - lolsteve - 08-01-2015
Avoid greenstuff for track days
personal experience says they dont last
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - jammapic - 08-01-2015
I love my ATB diff by Quaife to be honest, on the road its amazing.... But.... I wish I'd bought a locker
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - 7057sam - 08-01-2015
(08-01-2015, 07:50 AM)lolsteve Wrote: Avoid greenstuff for track days
Yeah got the pictures to prove that
(08-01-2015, 11:11 AM)jammapic Wrote: I love my ATB diff by Quaife to be honest, on the road its amazing.... But.... I wish I'd bought a locker
When does it engage? Had a accord type r and the diff only used to work on full throttle.
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - jammapic - 08-01-2015
It works from 1% throttle basically, as soon as you touch it. Because it doesn't "engage" as such.
It transmits torque from a spinning wheel, to a wheel with grip, so you always get power going to the outside wheel when cornernering, helping you turn in.
Sounds great right.
Problem is, in a straight line, it can only multiply the torque from a spinning wheel, I.e of you get a wheel on the grass / kerb where there is very little grip, it multiplies by (for arguments sake) 0. 0 x anything is always zero.
A diff which can fully "lockup" gives you effectively a solid (or getting towards anyway) axle. This means, no matter what grip the spinning wheel has, or hasn't got, the other one will always have torque on it.
Its horses for courses really. Dont get me wrong, I love my ATB, the way it just finds grip mid corner and actually tugs you into the bends is amazing.... I just can't help thinking if I had gone for a locking diff, it would have been even better on track.
That said, many many laps of the nurburgring, no wheel spin, and no rebuilds ever required
RE: The Astor....track car in the making - Ruan - 08-01-2015
Echoing what JP says, the ATB (Quaife) isn't a locking diff... It's a helical, so as said, if one wheel is airborne or has next to zero grip, then there's no torque to be sent to the other side, it'll still spin. It's a torque BIASING diff, not a locking diff.
Locking or plate type diffs (Kaaz, Gripper, Tran-X etc.) are far more hardcore, they are quite heavy handed in their operation and require a somewhat "balls to the wall" approach to get the best from them, of course, these diffs can lock and send power away from a completely airbone wheel to the one with grip... Sometimes that's absolutely what you want, but can be a little aggressive for an every day road car that is sometimes taken on track.
I'd definitely say that as a simple "upgrade" item, a helical diff is by far your best option, the other thing with plate type diffs is that it often requires a special type of oil, they can be noisy and clunky and a little bit harder to get the best from. Other hand a helical diff is a fit and forget item, no special requirements, smooth operation, if a little slower to respond than a plate type... Either that you fit will most certainly show up any issues with suspension components however, so make sure you've got good, solid bushes all round.