15-09-2015, 06:23 PM
So my XUD lump isn't in the best condition, if I was to do a conversion to HDi would it be a case of just getting the engine, engine loom and clocks? Or is there more to it?
(15-09-2015, 06:45 PM)Seb_Ryan Wrote: [ -> ]Lift pump aswell.. You need dash loom aswell afaik
(16-09-2015, 05:55 AM)bashbarnard Wrote: [ -> ]Fair enough. In which case. Crack on. Buy a complete hdi to make life easier.
(16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
(16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
(16-09-2015, 07:26 AM)Seb_Ryan Wrote: [ -> ](16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
Possible back seat memories.. Ya know.. Haha
(16-09-2015, 07:30 AM)Nathan1305 Wrote: [ -> ](16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
No rust on the rear arches thank you very much just attached to it haha. Haven't seen many non sunroof black 3dr ones about
(16-09-2015, 07:36 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ](16-09-2015, 07:26 AM)Seb_Ryan Wrote: [ -> ](16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
Possible back seat memories.. Ya know.. Haha
How would I know!? Not much space in the back of a 306 for that either.
(16-09-2015, 07:30 AM)Nathan1305 Wrote: [ -> ](16-09-2015, 07:21 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]They do black 3dr HDi's though...what's in a shell (apart from probably rear arch rust on a ph2 )?
No rust on the rear arches thank you very much just attached to it haha. Haven't seen many non sunroof black 3dr ones about
Lol, fair enough, each to their own at the end of the day! I've seen a few black DTurbo HDi's tbf, never had a ph3 with a sunroof either lol.
(16-09-2015, 07:44 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]I like sunroofs...when they don't leak! Only ever had one though on the ph2 lol.
Tbh you do need a whole donor car if doing the swap as above. So either buy a cosmetic shitter and do a swap or buy a decent black one and swap your parts on to it. Either way you need a whole car and a bit of time and space.
(16-09-2015, 09:39 AM)aggyj17 Wrote: [ -> ]My estate is a ph3 1.9 nad and I put a hdi it just a case of engine loom ( all the way to the wipers) lift pump,clocks and all the immobiliser stuff all plug and play very easy to do
(16-09-2015, 10:18 AM)Toms306 Wrote: [ -> ]The phase 2 interior loom is different though isn't it? Think that's what causes the hassle here, wont be an issue on your ph3.
(16-09-2015, 11:41 AM)Ruan Wrote: [ -> ]Once the ECU is unlocked, these need very few wires to make them actually run - basically the engine loom is pretty self contained and only requires the ignition switched +ve to power up the ECU, which in turn itself powers the double brown relay.
The only other two things required for it to start is the lift pump - which also goes back on the big plug on chassis leg, I've seen Ph2s with and without the wiring there for a lift pump on the fuel sender plug - so that may need manually adding.
Then you need the starter solenoid wire that will engage and turn the starter. Then the engine will actually start and run by itself - no other wires are actually needed for it to run - long as you keep the power signal to the ECU and the double relay stays live, the engine will run.
Speedo drive is on the same wires back to the dash, but uses a different signal in XUD, so you need to swap the dashboard for the speedo to work.
The rest is ancillary stuff that will simply need connecting - it may be on different pins on the plug, but it's no different to the stuff on any engine - it's all compatible, stuff like oil pressure light switch, reverse light switch, battery light (which is required to get the alternator to self excite) etc etc.
(16-09-2015, 01:31 PM)Ruan Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I wouldn't say plug and play... You can't guarantee that all the pins are the same between Ph2 and Ph3 car looms where the engine loom connects - that's likely to be different.
IME some of the stuff is the same, but I wouldn't count on it - you'll want to take your XUD loom, mark up what every pin does on the two bulkhead connectors, then do the same on the HDi loom and mark up every pin on the bulkhead connectors.
That way you know what uses the same pins and what needs changing for the HDi engine.
But there's nothing that simply will NOT work, it's just a case of putting the wires to the right pins to suit the loom in your car.