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I know there is quite of few of you on here that are into MTB so seems like a good place to start looking into it.

Iv been out of the loop on this for a good 8 years now and im not to sure what im looking at these days. so what im looking for......


spend: £500-700
full sus
hydrolic discs
at least a front lock out
decent travel on front fork
good branded front & rear mec
and a decent durable set of wheels (i was pretty good at distroying rear wheels Big Grin)

What would you recomend looking at that in the price rang . im not expecting anything ground braking for that budget
What do you want it for? XC/all mountain type stuff im guessing. Not going to get a durable full sus for that budget new so go second hand, have a look at pinkbike. Can get a real bargain on there. Use google and you can check the spec etc for quality.
Custom build. Has to r custom build and you can get something good for that money. When I'm on the computer later ill write out a long detailed reply for you. Bet you can't wait lol
id appriciate that tbh niall. really havnt got a clue these days . i dont even know what brands are out there now. all i know is iv got a couple hope twin pots at home and they had only just come out when i stoped messing with bikes lol

some one give me so brands to look for 2nd hand?
http://www.schwalbe.co.uk/

The best tires ever.

Had 4sets in 2 years each set doing about 1500-2000miles of hard rideing on a singlespeed marin i destroy rear tires but these seem to last the longest, roll the fastest. Thay are light (even lighter in tubeless setup) but strong and iv never once ran out of grip even on wet grass, gravel, shale, you name it and iv ridden it with these tires.

I would strongly recomend you all buy a set.

Iv had the raceing ralph's rocket ron's and nobby nic's and thay are all amazeballs

Not the cheapest but worth every penny

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com

Worth looking on for bits and the schwalbe tires are a good price
Right on the computer now so essay time!

Frame: For your budget, its essential you go second hand. A good full sus frame is easily 1k plus. Why do you need a full sus though? A good hard tail with 130-140mm of fork travel will be very capable over some very rough trails and you can get a lot more for your budget. In fact your budget isnt really big enough for a decent full sus but if you have your heart set on it, go for no more than 6" rear travel otherwise you will really struggle to ride anywhere except down hill. Also dont forget with a full sus you have to factor in extra servicing costs for the shock as most units now aren't really home serviceable.
If you go for a hard tail, go brand new. I always prefer to go brand new because you dont know how the frame was treated if its second hand so could possibly have stress fractures etc which can be almost impossible to spot until its too late. For hard tail, id recommend dialled bikes. Frames look very basic however they are extremely well built and stupidly light. I know the guy who runs the company and he spent about 4 years developing the prince albert frame in the surrey hills. Ive had the mk1 and mk2 and now have a mk3 of the prince albert and the mk1 was good but you wont believe how much nicer the mk3 is and how much lighter!

Forks: Again, dont be fooled by a cheap fork that has loads of toys. Not worth it and normally they are shit. I personally love Rock shox and Marzocchi but if you can stretch your budget, get some fox's! Ive got a set of 11 year old marzocchi 150mm travel air forks and they are still silky smooth. Only issue is the bushes are shot but thats a common problem with that model.
Travel is obviously dependant on your frame but for a good all rounder, id recommend 130-140mm travel. Most 5 or 6 year old and newer forks have a lock out of some description as standard now so dont worry about that. If i was you, i would be putting about £200 of that budget towards a second hand set. Bargains pop up on ebay all the time and if your lucky, you might grab a set of fox vanillas for that. Air forks are generally the most expensive for servicing. If the air chambers fail, they are generally a sealed unit so you have to replace the entire chamber instead of just a seal for example however air forks give the nicest ride and generally the most adjustability to your weight and preference. Oil changes are simple to do at home your self and cost about £10 for the oil and should be done about every 12-15 hours of riding (not as often as it sounds!) If you go for some rock shox spring forks, be aware they are normally very soft so be prepared to upgrade the springs although they are normally only about £30 for a set.

Brakes: Dont skimp! You want disc on both front and back but dont get cable what ever you do,. You will spend more time messing with them than riding them. Once again id go second hand. You find with cheap brakes they are very on-off and not very compliant and also dont do well in tough situations. My personal favourites are Hopes. For a start, they are generally a work of art and secondly, they just dont fail but because of this they do fetch a premium. I paid £100 for my set of 5 year old 4 pots and that was considered cheap. A full rebuild on a hope 4 pot will cost about £30 a calliper but i doubt you would ever need to do this. Pads, just stick with standard. EBC do pads for nearly all bike brakes (and i think brembo do as well) and they work very well but you can easily demolish a set in one hard ride which is not what you want at about £25 a set. Standard pads are normally best. When buying, be careful as there is plenty of mount options depending on your frame/forks. Fluid changes should be done again about every 15-20 hours but they just use standard dot4 or 5.1
Also a good upgrade is Goodridge hoses. Make the world of difference and they come in pretty colours. They are about £25 a brake so maybe something to consider later down the line.
Also, Ed will be jealous you have 4 pots Tongue

Gearing: Personal opinion is stick to Sram. I always seem to have adjustment issues with Shitmano but ive always found even with the cheap X3 range that sram do, its just a case of fit, adjust, forget. Dont be tempted to buy a Shimano shifter and sram mech because they wont work. up until a few years back, sram used to work on a 1:1 ratio and shitmano on a 2:1. Think it was only a few years ago sram started offering 2:1 bit but at a premium.
The budget sram range is the X3 and i think they are very good. I always tend to go with a x7 shifter and x3 mechs because i have a habit of smashing them up on rocks and they are cheaper lol. Thats brings me back to frames. If you go for a ally frame, make sure it has a removable mech hanger. If you catch your mech and rip the hanger off, the frame is basically f*cked unless you know someone who can make you a new drop out and weld it for you.

Wheels: Avoid shimano hubs and rims like the plauge. Shimano hubs just fall to pieces and have a habbit of taking the housings with them so you have to replace the whole thing. I would go for hope pro 2 hubs. They are expensive but bomb proof! Older ones had a ally cassette body and you would find sometimes you could chew it up with hard riding needing a new cassette body but if you get a newer one, they are steel so not a problem. Also, the rear ones sound like someone rattling off a machine gun! Epic Smile
Rims, im a big lover of Mavic. Nice and cheap and generally very good. Which ones depends on your style of riding. 729s are absolutely bomb proof (and one of the widest rims about now) but are bloody heavy and cost about £60 each! 719s are a good all rounder. Light, not as wide but still strong. I have them on my current bike and my last one and never buckled one and im a fairly heavy handed rider and always seem to end up landing on logs and roots lol.
Be careful who builds your wheels. CRC are not very good at building wheels im told and this is where a good wheel builder is worth his weight in gold! A badly built wheel will buckle and fall to pieces in a few months. My old wheels were built by Merlin cycles who are very reputable and i happen to know that even though they are now 7 years old (f*ck that makes me feel old!) they are still going strong and true.
I wont lecture you about tyres because much like a car, that is very much down to personal opinion.

Everything else: Much down to how much cash you have left. Buy all of the above first and prioritise them because they are what makes a bike a bit special. Personally, im a brand whore so anything with hope written on it, i will have if i can afford it. Its generally very very well made and looks porn. If your budget is even bigger, go for Chris King but you will have no hope on your budget (but for Lolz, google the Chris king rasta head set. I will be buying one!).

Dont underestimate ebay for buying these bits. Bits that can be a month old can come up very very cheap on there! Also, keep an eye on CRC. They always have sales and if you dig deep, you will pick up some serious bargain. I know when Grant built his last bike, he picked up a £250 set of race face cranks for about £30. Its all about digging on that site!
Finally, once its built, come with us to chicksands! Big Grin

Hope this helps a bit!
Dual sus

Giant glory

Kona stinky

kona stinky 2

turner 6-pack

Specialized fsr big hit

Not a fan of kona myself but they are alright for the money.
Just a few in your price range.. if you're after hardtail there is too many to list.


But I would defo be building my own in your situation, factory made bikes come with too many shit parts (bearings hubs headsets blah blah..) that just completely ruin the ride of any bike!
Depends what kind of riding your going to be doing. I'm looking at getting an all mountain bike and looking at trek remedys, but I should think you could get a well specced second hand santa cruz heckler for your budget, if its all mountain your after
you need to be a strong man to ride a kona stinky over any length. Dont even consider it for any form of XC because they literally weigh the same as toms old golf!
Mate at work is selling this:
http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1291775/

Want £400 for the frame and fork. Big chunk of the budget but that is your base and its a nice do it all full sus.
(30-03-2013, 09:43 PM)PE02KHG Wrote: [ -> ]Mate at work is selling this:
http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1291775/

Want £400 for the frame and fork. Big chunk of the budget but that is your base and its a nice do it all full sus.

Are the forks 1 1/8th steerer? I might be interested in just the forks if he would split?
Yeah pretty sure they are.

Sent you a pm
Suppose i should say what i will be using it for,

The plan is during the week, road use through villages/gravel tracks

weekends, mild down hill, I.E just carving some tracks through the local woods (minimal small jumps)

Now and again, might take it down the jumps and join the lads on here when the arrage days out?

Also oppinions on this??

http://www.evanscycles.com/products/jami...e-ec031727
Tbh mate if thats what your goin to be doin on it i would go for a hard tail frame with a good seat n post ( a sus seat post aint to bad) not a full susser

I do basicaly the same on my marin and thats onlt got 90mm of travel on the forks.

Its cheaper when you crash (not if lol) and thers no bearing/bushes to brake on the back of the frame.
Thay are lighter and you get a bunch more choice on frames
Id reccomend a hardtail, alot more for your money and it will be so much nicer when your on the road. Check out the specialized range, theyve gone to 29" this year for most of the offroad hardtails which can feel quite a bit different but they solid bikes, good warranty and really nice ride.
Definitely a hard tail for that. Oh and don't buy either of them ones you linked me too. The frames are shite!
Cool hard tail it is then, whats a 26er & a 29er then ???
Wheel size. 26 is standard mtb size, 29er is just bigger and a fairly new development really. Usual benefits of a bigger wheel, speed, takes bumps better, accelerates slower, corners a bit slower.
29ers are just 700c road/race bike wheels

26 is standard mtb wheels

Thay both have ther ups and downs.

29er better for bumps and more control but you have to get uset to it first.

26er more tire choice. More wheel choice ect ect

Why dont you try single speed?

Pros: lighter because you dont have the gears

Simpler because you dont have the gears to get full of mud and crap

Easy to setup

Cheaper

Cons: you wont make it up the really steep hills unless you go for it

Stronger wheels because thers less dish to them


Iv had a single speed for about 3 years and after the first fiew weeks of getting used to it im now faster getting places and dont have the problems with mud in my gears


I would say try single speed and you will notice just how good thay are.

Before i got my marin single speed i sed i woukd never get one but my gt down hill bike broke so i had to make a new bike (the marin) and iy just happend to be that i could only make a single speed and now i would never get rid of it. I even sold my gt because my marin is better


Any way try single speed. You could even have a go on mine if you wanted.

You will fall in love with how simple it is and how fast you go

Daniel
Iv always had single speeds and its really not what im looking for this time around, i currently own a 24" scabby saracen single speed street bike good little bike considering it only cost me £50 to put together, but it isnt no good for long distance fittness riding, hence looking for somthing more usable

As for the 29/26 i think i'll stick with what i know . i know 26's and they are bound to be cheaper/ easier to get parts for

anyone know what kona's are like these days? i had a shred years ago, and that was by far the best bike iv had
I'd say stick to a HT aswell, I have more fun on my Orange Crush winter basher than I do on my Trek Feul EX8 TBH. Temped to try Going singlespeed myself (or 1 x 9) as I have a habit of mashing gearing lol.
My personal favourite is 9 speed rear and single at the front. Less to go wrong (i bloody hate front mechs) and i never really feel the need for any more than 9 gears.
Hard tail is definitely your best option but as i said, try and go for a brand new frame. Also, sizing is a big thing which is dependant on your type of riding. For XC riding, i could do with a 20" frame but i ride a 15.5 due to using it for basically everything. XC and i just bang the seat post right up. 4X and i bang it right down and its ideal for me. Seeing as your probably about 5ft10-6ft? Id suggest a 15-16 inch frame unless you will really be doing a lot of XC style riding.
For all you MTB'ers on here. Epic deal!

http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/mt...cBrakeSale
Spend the extra £20 and get shimano, so worth it.
I cant bloody stand Shimano stuff. Their brakes seem to just fall apart!
Ive used Juicy 7s before briefly and i was very impressed. Cant complain for £250 off!!!
Bargain those! Just dont get Exilir5's lol, Got them on both the bikes and they're always sticking ect. Some of the new Shimano brakes get good write ups though I've noticed, Afew of my mates love there Hope 4pots but I couldnt justify the £££
Hope 4 pots are epic but they hold their value stupidly. I paid £100 for my 5 year old gold cap ones and that was seen as a bargain. That said though, they are a epic brake!
Im defo looking at hard tails now prob going to buy a complete new bike and just go from there. get into it again then start upgrading parts as and when. its just deciding what want